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CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVE RYONE equally

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#41 - 2012-04-15 11:37:29 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Roime wrote:
Yes, all bounties should be removed and turned into "blue loot", like tags that you need to sell to NPCs to receive any ISK .


This is the way I'd prefer to see it go. Though I'd go a little further and stop NPCs dropping T1 loot at all: they can drop bits and pieces which capsuleers reverse engineer to get high-meta T1 items.

Blue loot is just the same as bounties for everyone else. Why should they get nerved? People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!


I also support the idea of reverse engineering meta1 to 4 from dropped 'salvage'. And the blue loot is obvious a big ISK faucet, that might be looked at, perhaps by removing the buy orders and using it for some other manufactorry purpose.

I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.

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Lanasak
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-15 11:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lanasak
Mara Rinn wrote:
People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!


it's not just wormholes. holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.

line members are better off running incursions in hisec via alts than running anoms in fully upgraded systems and the primary means of alliance level income - moons - does not require sovereignty.

the reasoning behind wanting incursions nerfed (or at least limited to lowsec) is not empty
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#43 - 2012-04-15 11:48:11 UTC
The downward spiral that is the price of nano ribbons is nerf enough.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#44 - 2012-04-15 11:52:52 UTC
Hatt0ri Hanz0 wrote:
The downward spiral that is the price of nano ribbons is nerf enough.


I'm guessing that comes from more and more people in W-space and no good way to kick them out.

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Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-04-15 12:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod
DarthNefarius wrote:
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"


And yet, behold the power of tears as theyre nerfing them anyways

Lanasak wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
People are leaving wormholes to go run Incursions because Incursions are so much easier and safer!


it's not just wormholes. holding sov in nullsec is a laughing riot these days and the only special thing about it is the ability to build supercaps.

line members are better off running incursions in hisec via alts than running anoms in fully upgraded systems and the primary means of alliance level income - moons - does not require sovereignty.

the reasoning behind wanting incursions nerfed (or at least limited to lowsec) is not empty


best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now

You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours

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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-04-15 13:02:38 UTC
I HAVE A CAPS LOCK BUTTON TOO
Lanasak
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-04-15 13:13:15 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now

You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours


what in the world are you talking about
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#48 - 2012-04-15 13:20:07 UTC
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-04-15 13:22:51 UTC
Because if CCP nerfed wormholes, WH pilots would then beat CCP to death with their massive balls.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Masikari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-04-15 13:44:40 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
best way to troll 0.0 is earn money is high sec. Im amazed you all havent drowned in your tears by now

You ever think the reason you get so little money in 0.0 is cause of your corp leaders? Its not CCPs fault, its yours


what in the world are you talking about


I second Lanasak's question to you
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-04-15 14:10:04 UTC
Because WHs are far more dangerous and complex.

This is the tenth thread where you've mistaken efforts to balance risk and reward across the different space types as some one-minded effort to curb inflation. The biggest goals are to balance risk and reward and to make mining a viable profession again; inflation reduction as a a monetary policy of sorts is a comparatively less pressing concern.

tl:dr qq for the incursion bears
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#52 - 2012-04-15 16:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"


And yet, behold the power of tears as theyre nerfing them anyways



CCP's left handed nerfs brings to mind a tennis match between 2 blind players. They say too much ISK is entering the system so what do they do: nerf the activity that is "not a big issue in terms of isk globally" and expect to see results after introducing a whole new ISK FOUNTAIN. ccp SOUNDWAVE's already stated that we'd better expect a 10% nerf across the board on bounties due to inflation. Bounties do NOT affect the ISK fountain in Worm Holes. Without true balance & a nerf in WormHoles which the rest of the Eve Universe is getting what we are about to see is yet another BLIND SERVE WHICH WILL SMACK THE OTHER BLIND TENNIS PLAYER SMACK IN THE SIDE OF THE HEAD OR RIGHT BETWEEN HIS LEGS INTO HIS BALLZ
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#53 - 2012-04-15 16:38:05 UTC
incursion accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means before incursion, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE incursion ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#54 - 2012-04-15 16:45:44 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Wormhole blue loot accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means without WH blue loot, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE blue loots ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.



FIXED



(and WH's still have nano ribbons which lets face it are much more profitable then Incursions)
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#55 - 2012-04-15 16:51:56 UTC
Degren wrote:
[...]
Because you're stupid.


^^^That^^^

[/thread]

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#56 - 2012-04-15 16:55:15 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
[...]

Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion incomeAttention ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )


For Gods' sakes, will you please just stop posting?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#57 - 2012-04-15 16:56:07 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho.


You:

Uninstall.

Now.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
seany1212
M Y S T
#58 - 2012-04-15 17:02:44 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
Wormhole blue loot accounts for 1/3 of bounty, so it means without WH blue loot, we wouldnt have that 1/3, why dont we just REMOVE blue loots ENTIRELY, that totally will solve the inflation issue.



FIXED



(and WH's still have nano ribbons which lets face it are much more profitable then Incursions)


You sir have no knowledge of anything other than incursions, stick to that. Roll

Blue loot is fixed per site, so if a site is cleared and fully escalated then the amount of blue loot obtained will be the same whether it was the first time the site was run or the 99th. Next nano-ribbons are random drops, you can run one site and get 30 on one occassion and get 1 nano-ribbon the next. Then there is the fact that 0.0 rules apply (bubbles, aggression mechanics, overall pvp). Finally there is that wormholes have no local, which has already been mentioned, so a cloaky hostile only needs to find your wormhole and in the case of running anomalies, doesnt even need to pop probes in order to find you, can practically warp directly to the site you're in.

Get a clue before crying that everything else needs to be nerfed after your high-sec overpaid incursions are getting changed Twisted
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-04-15 17:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxandrolone
Blue loot is an isk fountain but how can you compare cap escalations in c5+ wormholes to highsec incursions. Incursions are being nerfed because they are mega easy and have no risk but high reward. Cap escalations are high risk / high reward. I would love to get 100 carebear incursion runners drop then in a c5 with probes and give them each 5 billion in blue loot and tell them they can keep it if they make it to highsec and then sell it without being ganked.

i wonder how many of them will say blue loot should be nerfed ^^ after that
Sweet Trader
The Hollow Men
#60 - 2012-04-15 18:18:51 UTC
Confirming that the OP doesn't have a Scooby.

Michael1995 wrote:
The main difference between incursions and WHs is the fact that there is no local, meaning that anyone can come in and whack your knackers off.

+1 for the turn of phrase. ;)