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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#541 - 2012-04-12 03:51:39 UTC
i remember back in 06 before drone regions were opened up....

back then i was in GW in a corp living it up ratting and all that stuff... if you wanted a ship made like a domi or something you had to get together with your mining buddies so that they could get enough mins together to eventually make you the bs...

that being said mining ops were usually me ratting in my brutix and from time to time my friend in the hulk would sound off in corp chat yo i am being attacked help in p1-b7 then i would warp to the belt and kill the impending rats...

more then often the guy would choose an easy spawn to tank so he could rat in peace...

this was just after the great hp boost which at the time pretty much killed alpha arty boats and all minnie were good for was nano/autos aka nano phoon and the nefarious nano vagabond (this was before tier two bc's)

but with the subsequent boosts to alpha and such this mitigated the hp boost and made it mute...

even before bots were so prevalent... peeps would semi aft mining... most watching movies and what not... mining is not fun and if you think its fun there is something mentally wrong with you!

the game has changed and having an lse on a hulk is desperately needed especially since there is going to be the drone poo nerf...

you will now have to mine to get mins...

the hulk needs a pg boost so it can fit only one LSE

and there needs to be the 5th subsystems (indy/mining based) added to tech III ships...

make one that allows gas/ice/strip miners and give them a bonus
make one that has similar bonus to an orca for links
make one that increases cargo bay like an industrial
not sure about the propulsion one...

what this will allow you to do is mix and match different subsections to make pretty nice minning ships...

i think the proteus would be king but hey gallente should be king of minning eh?

think about it people you will now have to mine to get mins... plain and simple and remember CCP made drone regions combat mining in the fist place cuss regular mining in mind dull **** boring... there is a reason bots were invented in the first place....

all i am saying is that in the new reality of eve where you have to mine dont you want a. a 350 million isk ship to have a decent tank if its design is meant to be used semi afk

and b. a kick ass tech III subsection that will at the very least give you the same protection that you receive from doing missions in a pve ship...

i think tippa has it wrong there are pve ships in eve and pvp ships in eve it just so happens that half the pve ships in eve are also pvp ships... this should not mean that the other half of pve ships should be totally vulnerable or if are tanked loose out on the bonuses they have and should have for being the most expensive mining ship in game...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#542 - 2012-04-12 03:55:20 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


even before bots were so prevalent... peeps would semi aft mining... most watching movies and what not... mining is not fun and if you think its fun there is something mentally wrong with you!



lol so the anti buff ppl are saying we should have to be mentally disturbed to mine cause otherwise we should die (unless you heed the suggestions I gave)

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#543 - 2012-04-12 03:56:46 UTC
did you play the game before drone regions were introduced?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#544 - 2012-04-12 04:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
MeBiatch wrote:
did you play the game before drone regions were introduced?


an my bad didnt know you were ONLY talking about back then and your statements were irrelevant to the game as it is today. kk

and btw train sense of humor to 5 it helps in discerning a joke when you see it.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#545 - 2012-04-12 04:07:25 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
did you play the game before drone regions were introduced?


an my bad didnt know you were ONLY talking about back then and your statements were irrelevant to the game as it is today. kk

and btw train sense of humor to 5 it helps in discerning a joke when you see it.


indeed i read that over and it was funny... but alas there is no font on the Internets for humor so sometimes complex ideas such as sarcasm can be taken as a serious statement... my apologies...

but its more in reference to a different eve that sans combat mining will return in an interesting way... most people don't really get what removing combat mining means to eve... which makes my comment rather relevant if you think about it...


There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#546 - 2012-04-12 04:09:32 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
did you play the game before drone regions were introduced?


an my bad didnt know you were ONLY talking about back then and your statements were irrelevant to the game as it is today. kk

and btw train sense of humor to 5 it helps in discerning a joke when you see it.


indeed i read that over and it was funny... but alas there is no font on the Internets for humor so sometimes complex ideas such as sarcasm can be taken as a serious statement... my apologies...

but its more in reference to a different eve that sans combat mining will return in an interesting way... most people don't really get what removing combat mining means to eve... which makes my comment rather relevant if you think about it...




I was trying for a "o gods theyre trying to drive us insane!!!!oneone!!" type joke lol

Im too tired to be rational. In fact Im going to bed lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#547 - 2012-04-12 04:34:07 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
I don't mine, and if I did, I wouldn't mine in highsec like pond scum


Many players feel the same way you do. This is why low end mineral prices are increasing.

no, minerals are going up across the board because of traders speculating on the imminent rogue drone nerf


Um no. Yeah on Zydrine or Nocx they are. On any given day Jita runs through between 20 and 40 BILLION units of trit. There are some bit wallets out there but trit is almost the definition of a spammed commodity. There is just to much of it being traded for traders to make a dent in the market.

Sorry to say it, but that mineral is going up because of a legitimate shortage, not speculation.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#548 - 2012-04-12 07:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Lanasak wrote:


If you choose to mine somewhere out of the way with a max-yield fit Hulk, at the expense of having to fly a longer route to get your ore/minerals to market, that's another valid choice.


The 30 jumps I self haul 1 freigther worth of minerals are FREE!

Oh wait, that's what noobs say when they consider their time free.

As I said earlier, poopy thread with poopy suggestions that don't work.

Miners who are not just blabbering mouth adapted in more, functioning ways. Glad they don't read this cesspool.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#549 - 2012-04-12 07:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Jas Dor wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
wow look at this, a 42k ehp hulk

http://i.imgur.com/2kY32.jpg


Hum fully bonused Orca and fully bonused Tengu to pull that off. Once CCP gets rid of off grid boosting that will probably protect the Hulk, most gankers are much more likely to go for the Tengu first for the tears and SP loss.


nobody suicide ganks a Tengu unless it has worthwhile fittings fyi

and if that becomes an issue they'd just boost on grid with brick-tanked Vultures


So to get all this to work you need at least three accounts to run one hulk? Somehow I do not think the bulk of the 20-40 billion units of trit that are sold in Jita every day is going to come from such a process.


It's the poopy thread. Maybe if he thought that a yield of say 15M per hour has to be divided by the number of accounts used... But no.


Jas Dor wrote:

Sorry to say it, but that mineral is going up because of a legitimate shortage, not speculation.


Trit is being speculated too, but speculations only amplify an underlying shortage. They don't last weeks when they are just artifiically created, expecially in large markets like Trit.
Whitehound
#550 - 2012-04-12 07:43:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…and it's still not the numbers that determine the balance. The numbers are an effect of the balance, and CCP (or more commonly the players) look at those numbers to infer that something is or isn't balanced about the ships. The imbalance is with the ships themselves. No matter how the numbers look, the balance is determined by the ships and their stats. No matter how the numbers change, unless the stats change, the balance isn't altered. Likewise, price does not determine balance — if anything, balance determines price. High price is then also an effect of balance, not the other way around: balance is a factor in price; price is not a factor in balance.

For you it is not about the numbers of players. It is not only obvious from what you write but also how you write. You have no love for the people on this forum and so you have no choice but to deny it. For CCP, who are the ones doing the changes, is EVE Online only a game and Internet space ships are just Internet space ships to them. The players mean the world to CCP and it will always be important to them what the players think of their game. To them do the numbers of players matter.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ender Karazaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#551 - 2012-04-12 07:45:37 UTC
Mining has problems on every level of this game. The ships are weak, slow, vulnerable and are targets for gankers. Mineral prices are errattic and to top it of, it's dull as dishwater. It's bereft of any real gameplay or any redeaming features. Even in a fleet with friends it gets boring, especially when we run out of dead baby jokes. To be frank, if CCP decided to get rid of mining altoghether I wouldn't be sorry to see it go. The fact that the only thing that makes mining bearable for most folk is that it can be done AFK says it all

I am however more more interested in the ring mining that CCP has proposed (making mining a group activity) and would like to see something like that expanded into belt mining. They probably won't, it seems CCP has seemingly given up on mining by stating things like "mining is what it is". But IMO with the right gameplay mechanics and features, mining can be made fun, profitable and more of a challenge.
Ildryn
Idle Guns.
#552 - 2012-04-12 08:31:00 UTC
Hulks can get 22k ehp

that's enough to deter most solo gankers....no ship should be immune to multiple gankers
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#553 - 2012-04-12 08:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Whippy
Ildryn wrote:
Hulks can get 22k ehp

that's enough to deter most solo gankers....no ship should be immune to multiple gankers


You CAN do this, but then your mining yield is reduces to near that of a Covetor, so why would you use a hulk at all?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#554 - 2012-04-12 09:09:06 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:


You CAN do this, but then your mining yield is reduces to near that of a Covetor, so why would you use a hulk at all?


To not get blown up. A destroyer will kill said covetor while the hulk will keep on chugging rocks which makes the hulk a fair bit more isk efficient.
Whitehound
#555 - 2012-04-12 09:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
baltec1 wrote:
To not get blown up. A destroyer will kill said covetor while the hulk will keep on chugging rocks which makes the hulk a fair bit more isk efficient.

You almost make it sound fun. Lol

When one needs to pimp a Hulk to the point where it costs like 500m ISKs only to have 28k eHP then you have not made an argument for the Hulk or against the Covetor. You have made it an argument to gank more Hulks.

Ganking is all about the fun. Why else would you take a cheap ship to blow up a much more expensive ship of some innocent player? Because of this do mining ships keep being a joke. Lol

Arguing is not going to help. If something needs to be done, and I do mean if, then all mining ships will need a stronger tank.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#556 - 2012-04-12 10:11:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:


You CAN do this, but then your mining yield is reduces to near that of a Covetor, so why would you use a hulk at all?


To not get blown up. A destroyer will kill said covetor while the hulk will keep on chugging rocks which makes the hulk a fair bit more isk efficient.


You still risk losing the Hulk while it's permanently gimped.

You still get an insurance zero cost on losing the covetor while it's maxed.

Result: always zero cost for covetor, still risk to get the hulk dead to somebody more motivated to pop it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#557 - 2012-04-12 10:31:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


You still risk losing the Hulk while it's permanently gimped.

You still get an insurance zero cost on losing the covetor while it's maxed.

Result: always zero cost for covetor, still risk to get the hulk dead to somebody more motivated to pop it.


Losing a t2 fitted covetor is never free.

In order to kill a hulk like how I would fit them would require 4 t2 arty Tornadoes. That only happens in hulkageddon or in an ice interdiction. So while destroyers pop your covetors for profit I will be in a hulk safe from all but the most extream ganks making more money than you.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#558 - 2012-04-12 10:51:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
In order to kill a hulk like how I would fit them would require 4 t2 arty Tornadoes.


Shouldn't the gankers have time for at least two arty salvoes before concord show up in a 0.5 or 0.6?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#559 - 2012-04-12 11:06:30 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
In order to kill a hulk like how I would fit them would require 4 t2 arty Tornadoes.


Shouldn't the gankers have time for at least two arty salvoes before concord show up in a 0.5 or 0.6?


The joys of 0.7 space.
Whitehound
#560 - 2012-04-12 11:08:27 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
In order to kill a hulk like how I would fit them would require 4 t2 arty Tornadoes.


Shouldn't the gankers have time for at least two arty salvoes before concord show up in a 0.5 or 0.6?

Not only that, but you would use EMP L to pop his Hulk. Baltec1 will fit his Hulk with 3 Inv. Fields II and an SSE II. He will go mining like this for a few days until he realizes how boring mining is. So he will drop an Inv. Field and put a survey scanner back into his Hulk so that he can at least see which asteroids to pick. He then will continue mining for another few days until he gets sick of constantly docking up and because his cargohold just does not do it. He then puts cargo expanders into his low-slots so that he can stay in the belt a little longer.

Can one blame him for doing it? No. But one can slap him every single time he tries to get a bit more fun out of his mining ship. Lol

I can laugh about it, but I cannot call it fair.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.