Ships & Modules

i remember back in 06 before drone regions were opened up....

back then i was in GW in a corp living it up ratting and all that stuff... if you wanted a ship made like a domi or something you had to get together with your mining buddies so that they could get enough mins together to eventually make you the bs...

that being said mining ops were usually me ratting in my brutix and from time to time my friend in the hulk would sound off in corp chat yo i am being attacked help in p1-b7 then i would warp to the belt and kill the impending rats...

more then often the guy would choose an easy spawn to tank so he could rat in peace...

this was just after the great hp boost which at the time pretty much killed alpha arty boats and all minnie were good for was nano/autos aka nano phoon and the nefarious nano vagabond (this was before tier two bc's)

but with the subsequent boosts to alpha and such this mitigated the hp boost and made it mute...

even before bots were so prevalent... peeps would semi aft mining... most watching movies and what not... mining is not fun and if you think its fun there is something mentally wrong with you!

the game has changed and having an lse on a hulk is desperately needed especially since there is going to be the drone poo nerf...

you will now have to mine to get mins...

the hulk needs a pg boost so it can fit only one LSE

and there needs to be the 5th subsystems (indy/mining based) added to tech III ships...

make one that allows gas/ice/strip miners and give them a bonus
make one that has similar bonus to an orca for links
make one that increases cargo bay like an industrial
not sure about the propulsion one...

what this will allow you to do is mix and match different subsections to make pretty nice minning ships...

i think the proteus would be king but hey gallente should be king of minning eh?

think about it people you will now have to mine to get mins... plain and simple and remember CCP made drone regions combat mining in the fist place cuss regular mining in mind dull **** boring... there is a reason bots were invented in the first place....

all i am saying is that in the new reality of eve where you have to mine dont you want a. a 350 million isk ship to have a decent tank if its design is meant to be used semi afk

and b. a kick ass tech III subsection that will at the very least give you the same protection that you receive from doing missions in a pve ship...

i think tippa has it wrong there are pve ships in eve and pvp ships in eve it just so happens that half the pve ships in eve are also pvp ships... this should not mean that the other half of pve ships should be totally vulnerable or if are tanked loose out on the bonuses they have and should have for being the most expensive mining ship in game...

did you play the game before drone regions were introduced?

indeed i read that over and it was funny... but alas there is no font on the Internets for humor so sometimes complex ideas such as sarcasm can be taken as a serious statement... my apologies...

but its more in reference to a different eve that sans combat mining will return in an interesting way... most people don't really get what removing combat mining means to eve... which makes my comment rather relevant if you think about it...

Um no. Yeah on Zydrine or Nocx they are. On any given day Jita runs through between 20 and 40 BILLION units of trit. There are some bit wallets out there but trit is almost the definition of a spammed commodity. There is just to much of it being traded for traders to make a dent in the market.

Sorry to say it, but that mineral is going up because of a legitimate shortage, not speculation.

It's the poopy thread. Maybe if he thought that a yield of say 15M per hour has to be divided by the number of accounts used... But no.




Trit is being speculated too, but speculations only amplify an underlying shortage. They don't last weeks when they are just artifiically created, expecially in large markets like Trit.

Mining has problems on every level of this game. The ships are weak, slow, vulnerable and are targets for gankers. Mineral prices are errattic and to top it of, it's dull as dishwater. It's bereft of any real gameplay or any redeaming features. Even in a fleet with friends it gets boring, especially when we run out of dead baby jokes. To be frank, if CCP decided to get rid of mining altoghether I wouldn't be sorry to see it go. The fact that the only thing that makes mining bearable for most folk is that it can be done AFK says it all

I am however more more interested in the ring mining that CCP has proposed (making mining a group activity) and would like to see something like that expanded into belt mining. They probably won't, it seems CCP has seemingly given up on mining by stating things like "mining is what it is". But IMO with the right gameplay mechanics and features, mining can be made fun, profitable and more of a challenge.

You CAN do this, but then your mining yield is reduces to near that of a Covetor, so why would you use a hulk at all?

You almost make it sound fun.

When one needs to pimp a Hulk to the point where it costs like 500m ISKs only to have 28k eHP then you have not made an argument for the Hulk or against the Covetor. You have made it an argument to gank more Hulks.

Ganking is all about the fun. Why else would you take a cheap ship to blow up a much more expensive ship of some innocent player? Because of this do mining ships keep being a joke.

Arguing is not going to help. If something needs to be done, and I do mean if, then all mining ships will need a stronger tank.

Losing a t2 fitted covetor is never free.

In order to kill a hulk like how I would fit them would require 4 t2 arty Tornadoes. That only happens in hulkageddon or in an ice interdiction. So while destroyers pop your covetors for profit I will be in a hulk safe from all but the most extream ganks making more money than you.

The joys of 0.7 space.