EVE General Discussion

I have run VG's and Assaults and the occasional Mom

If cutting VG's by 10% and randomizing spawns is CCP's way of making them more inclusive, they are so sadly mistaken

Let me be clear. I applaud these changes, because I am a great believer in elitism in fleet skills and pilots
The best Incursion FC's select the best pilots with the best skills and best ships for a couple good reasons
Those reasons are competition and the safety of the entire fleet

If you have a weak attack boat pilot, the whole fleet suffers because their competition might not have that weak link and will win the site
If you have a weak logi pilot, then the whole fleet can be in jeopardy

So what is CCP's solution to the whiners about "No one will let me play with them, and they all make money and I can't"?
To increase the value of assaults so the elite players will take up the added risk of assaults? No

Instead, you dramatically decreased the value of VG's. The 10% nerf in pay was expected, even needed. Probably could have cut deeper than that. But the randomizing of the waves, plus wiping out all ships in a wave to get a payout has an immense impact
In the hardest of the VG sites, the OTA's, that will boil down to a 40-60% hit in payouts
Further, the last spawn in an OTA is murder. If that randomly might the FIRST spawn, and a fleet has to chew through all those ships, I imagine there will be a lot of OTA's left untouched

So guess where the elite 9 Legion/2 Oni's fleets hang out? Even more concentrated in the NCO's and NMC's
And where does that leave the T1 BC's and the guys with their T1 fit Vindicators with Galllente and Minnie BS at level I?
Since they are shut out of the NCO's even more so now, they will be driven into the welcoming Sansha arms of the OTA's, with their randomized spawns

The null sec zealots will love it, since the carnage will be nuts

So yeah CCP, way to go. You have managed to make Incursions even more demanding of the pilot and his skill set and ships. Frankly, this is a good thing since I think only the best should run Incursions.

But there are going to be an awful lot of unsatisfied poorly skilled pilots who thought this would be their chance to get into Incursions.

They're not trying to make them more inclusive.
They're trying to make them pay less.

Should have been 75% but 10% was a good start.

You do know that Shield BS fleets run OTA's like a legion fleet runs NCO's, do you even run incursions?

There trying to make people want to run Assaults and not hug the VG's, i think that nerfing the payout and making assaults more desirable was goot, but why get rid of the Triggers and make it so they have to clear the room :(

oh well, i guess ill see how it goes.

yes now you have to clear the entire rooms and spawns will be random, maybe they will get rid of the niarja and tama spawns or something in OTA's or these VG's will will seem like 10man assaults.

than there would be no eve!!!!

Kinda how in Star Trek I always wondered if one Cube made it all the way to Earth and the Borg have a metric shitload of them why they didnt just send as few hundred to Earth and finish off the humans.

I think the changes are just to make incursion sites more difficult to farm and more interesting.

Elitism in ship fittings and things like the private incursion channels (which can be seen as cartels in some respects even though I think the intentions are just anti-grief and easy-to-organise fleets) are very important player-created content :D

These nerfs were not to make incursions more accessible to noobs