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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4201 - 2012-04-09 13:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
There were some pretty cool things at one of the Fanfest's that was showing off some mini games in station. There was some kind of TBS game game that was like Chinese Checkers for EvE as well as a couple of other things. Those are more than welcome to be in stations, but we still need really good EvE centric gameplay to go with it. In other words, shooting people.

I remember back in the day when I played Asherons Call, they introduced these Chess boards in certain places in the world and you and another person could play against each other. The peices you used were representations of the creatures you killed in the game and the Chess board was life sized. It was fun on the PvP server, running up to someone playing chess and laying waste to their body with a flurry of daggers.

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Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#4202 - 2012-04-09 13:50:41 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.

In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.

If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.


CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think.



20% of the company isnt at great cost?


There you see that the dress up Barbie dolls do not care about the game. All they ant is another dress in the closet.
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#4203 - 2012-04-09 13:58:28 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
WIS will come eventually, it has to


Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light.
EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life.


This is simply not true.

It was the half ass execution and irresponsible funneling of all the resources to the WiS in ANOTHER game that have started the Eve decline.
There are about 2 more expansions of pure fixes and content finishing ahead of CCP before they should look ,let alone work, in the direction of WIS if at all.

It is very simple you have quality product people will come.
Slowly and steadily but if you have everyone that does not like space barbies looking at a static door for more then 6 months then there is a problem.

Wis should go on the table when 2 things happen.

1 Dust will released patched 4 times :) and actually has a playerbase of some size

2 Majority of the FiS problems have been fixed.




bornaa
GRiD.
#4204 - 2012-04-09 13:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Dors Venabily wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.

In my opinion, immersion is about scope and depth. DUST will add both to the EVE universe by allowing for a different, more casual type of action-driven gameplay while still allowing for full participation in our storyline. Perhaps, in the future, another client will allow room for more social gameplay, such as we'd expect to see in World of Darkness (except based in science fiction). Maybe instead of the current EVE Launcher, we'll see a composite launcher which allows us to launch our character into EVE, DUST or the social game. Perhaps new AI, logic and physics engines will allow us to do nearly anything we can imagine.

If threadnoughts like this prove anything, its that some EVE players want EVE to focus on spaceships, while others clearly demonstrate a demand for avatar-based gameplay. I, for one, would welcome a comprehensive sci-fi simulator, a thoroughly fleshed-out universe which allows us to immerse ourselves in a life of the future. Hilmar said it himself: EVE's "Future Vision" is still very relevant. I just wouldn't expect it to happen overnight.


CCP was not forced to remember this fact at great cost, I don't think.



20% of the company isnt at great cost?


There you see that the dress up Barbie dolls do not care about the game. All they ant is another dress in the closet.


Give me one ******* proof that they had to lay off people because of WiS or shut up.

edit:
sorry for that reaction but you are 4th person who in bringing that lie up (and that 4 people before have bringing it up zillion times) and all other discussion about that ended in conclusion that you guys did not have any proof at all.
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RAP ACTION HERO
#4205 - 2012-04-09 14:13:04 UTC
Conversely stop dooming and glooming ohgod eve is gonna die without wis.

vitoc erryday
RAP ACTION HERO
#4206 - 2012-04-09 14:20:06 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.


Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.

See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.

EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.

There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.

EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.

vitoc erryday
bornaa
GRiD.
#4207 - 2012-04-09 14:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.


Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.

See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.

EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.

There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.

EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.


Well, i know 6 people (11 accounts) that left EVE because CCP said that there will be no WiS.
They loved spaceships but they wanted to be a person and not spaceship.
They have played this game because CCP promised WiS to us all and when they saw that CCP is laying to them, they quit.

So I think that right question is not "how many EVE players are like him/her", I think that right question is "haw many EVE players was like him/her".

And you see... i support WiS mainly because i want that players that i knew in game (and know larger part of them in RL) back in the EVE because i don't know how much longer will I play EVE without them.
Don't get me wrong, i want WiS too.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4208 - 2012-04-09 14:48:03 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.


Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.

See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.

EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.

There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.

EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.


I've played EVE for 3 years based on the existing content, but it has taken me only that far. 3 years, 800 euros, 2 accounts, 4 characters... that's quite a bit of effort for a game whose "endgame" never appealed to me.

EVE hasn't provided any new gameplay that could interest me since I started in October 2008. CCP has been throwing this and that stuff, and has been killing this and that other stuff, but EVE keeps sucking a lot if you like to play solo, casual or hisec (what I call "being a politically incorrrect player").
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4209 - 2012-04-09 16:24:15 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ultimately, I really think the desires for WiS are desires for an additional game. At its core, EVE is a game about flying in spaceships - CCP was forced to remember this fact at great cost. In a recent interview, CCP Tori Frans stated that creating stand-alone products which tie into the EVE universe is desirable compared to stuffing everything into EVE, despite some of our desires to have universal control over our avatars.


Desires for WiS are desires for MORE gameplay in EVE, not in another game.

See, I wouldn't care that much about WiS if I could play some other stuff in space -and by "some other" i think of something different than what EVE currently has to offer.

EVE as it is is a game i don't play any further. I already did what I was interested to do, so if I have to play EVE, then it must be something different. "More of the same old drill" won't do it, and i have a serious feeling that my case is not uncommon.

There is no endgame content for hiseccers. That certainly matches to CCP's design assumption that people joins EVE because of nullsec, but that assumption clashes against the fact that nullsec is a niche within the niche.

EVE is unique in many aspects, and so it will appeal to many kinds of players. Then CCP will drive most of them away with the faulty assumption that, as nullsec has appealed to the same 15,000 players for 9 years, then the other 330,000 can pretty much f* themselves and go play WoW if they don't like nullsec and grew bored of everything else.

I wonder how many players are like you, with the "since there is no wis there is no reason for me to play eve" situation. Makes one wonder why you got started in this game in the first place.
wis is a "would be nice" sorta thing for even the most ardent wis supporters, something they look forward to while playing with existing content. So no, it is not the 300,000, it is only you who should go f yourself back to wow.


I've played EVE for 3 years based on the existing content, but it has taken me only that far. 3 years, 800 euros, 2 accounts, 4 characters... that's quite a bit of effort for a game whose "endgame" never appealed to me.

EVE hasn't provided any new gameplay that could interest me since I started in October 2008. CCP has been throwing this and that stuff, and has been killing this and that other stuff, but EVE keeps sucking a lot if you like to play solo, casual or hisec (what I call "being a politically incorrrect player").



i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong.
If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that.
WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that.
Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.

R.S.I2014
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4210 - 2012-04-09 16:27:56 UTC
I dunno...I know quite a few that love the idea of EvE and everything about it but simply won't play for the lack of an actual avatar. Many of those people now play since Incarna was released but with that said I am sure there are those out there that would join EvE for the proper kind of WiS gameplay and would consider FiS secondary to that.

It takes all kinds.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4211 - 2012-04-09 16:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new Anti-WiS alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community. They have been misrepresenting facts and twisting statements around in a fail attempt to justify their own desires and viewpoints ever since this thread was first created, constantly advocating that WiS content should not be added to the game.

They now realize that CCP will not abandon WiS, so their new ploy is to try and thwart it's production and integration into this game for as long as possible with statements of 'repeating same mistakes' or 'no meaningful game play' or 'waste of development resources', etc, all the while displaying biased resentment towards those who choose to participate in a different style of game play. These few individuals constantly advocate the exclusion of working on WiS content by using examples and reasons that have already been proven to be incorrect and false..

Nobody in this thread has advocated that work on FiS content should be excluded. FiS and WiS content can both be developed at the same time. The logical progression for the integration of WiS content into this game would be in small steps. Starting first with limited interaction contained in basic social areas thus resulting in the culmination of fully interactive PvP content.

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HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4212 - 2012-04-09 16:33:38 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community.


The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4213 - 2012-04-09 16:34:01 UTC
There is no FiS, there is no WiS, there is only EVE.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4214 - 2012-04-09 16:36:02 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community.


The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts.

Please link these "WiS-at-all-costs" posts.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4215 - 2012-04-09 16:46:04 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Seems like every few weeks this thread has 3 or 4 new alts (probably owned by the same person) jumping in here trying to make everyone (including CCP) believe they are voicing the opinions of the Eve Community.


The WiS-at-all-costs advocaters, are, of course, all genuine individuals and would never resort to sockpuppeting with alts.

Please link these "WiS-at-all-costs" posts.

Yes, please post links showing these supposedly 'WiS-at-all-costs advocaters'.

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RAP ACTION HERO
#4216 - 2012-04-09 16:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RAP ACTION HERO
Severian Carnifex wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
WIS will come eventually, it has to


Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light.
EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life.


"eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis",
sounds like wis-at-all-cost
but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.

vitoc erryday
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4217 - 2012-04-09 16:54:36 UTC
I don't think Eve will die without WIS but it may slow down it's growth without it, mainly by old players getting bored and leaving to find a new game. CCP has to always think about adding new content to keep players interested in the game
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4218 - 2012-04-09 17:01:25 UTC
Perhaps a player-driven fundraising campaign could bring more immediate results for those who want CCP to realize the "future vision" more quickly. Some may object that we already pay monthly subscriptions, and therefore shouldn't be expected to contribute more. I agree - but I'd also note that as a corporation, CCP's output is constrained by limited resources. Logic follows that by increasing their resources, we can increase their output.

We live in an age where social media and micro-donations have the potential to amass substantial funding for minimal effort. The most relevant candidate for fundraising would be WiS development, but other candidates could include new Clear Skies episodes, or even a feature length EVE movie based on the Cinematic Trailer.

Anyone who's watched that trailer has probably seen top-rated comments such as "I"M THROWING MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING" - we're a passionate community with appeal that extends well beyond our current player-base. Instead of watching wallets bound off of computer monitors around the world, perhaps we should hold out a bucket?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4219 - 2012-04-09 17:12:38 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
(...)


i am one of the WISlovers here everybody knows that,but hopig that WIS will keep you interested in EVE is wrong.
If you don,t like the game ,some avatar play will not change that.
WIS is nothing more then an addon to EVE ,a great addon ,but nothing more then that.
Wis will add to EVE ,but wil not make you like EVE more as it is.



Huh.

In a deep sense i don't like EVE's premise, that bad guys can be SOBs forever and nobody be safe and nobody bother them or stop them. If I wanted to endure that crap, i just would turn on the TV and tune the news to learn whatever did today my country's politicians. Roll

So, in that sense, I don't like EVE. Hooligans deserve being hanged at crossroads to serve as example, not being cheered while they ask for people to suicide over a videogame, if you get what I mean.

But then, i like MMOs, and EVE is unique. I am sucker for the skill system, the combat system, the economy and the sheer complexity of fitting ships for a task.

I would love that bounty hunting was a viable profession and SOBs got a reason to fear being chased by bounty hunters. I would love that EVE PvP was about either being a SOB and face the consequences or make SOBs face the consequences. Being a SOB for free is not my idea of fun.

If that was impossible (poor PvPrs, they should go harrass non-PvPrs elsewhere), then I would like that EVE was about building and restoring civilization, bringing order into chaos rather than gloat into pointless perpetual mayhem. Colonize planets, set up stargates, whatever.

Failing all above, i just would like to be able to pursue my own goals without being fukked by someone I can't fuk back, and let the universe go to hell while I dig out my own little corner.

And here I enter WiS, occuring in the only places in EVE were your assets are safe unless you willingly jeopardize them (FAI trusting someone and giving him acces to the corporate hangar).
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4220 - 2012-04-09 17:40:43 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:

"eve is dying because there is no wis", "i am unsubbing because there's no wis",
sounds like wis-at-all-cost
but eve is not dying, why rush wis? just let them get it right, they did botch it the first time.

Sounds like they want WiS content added to the game, nowhere did they say 'WiS at all costs'.

As for your statement about WiS being botched the first time, it was the Incarna expansion that was botched and I'm not going to state all the problems associated with it again. The main problem with the WiS delivered in the Incarna expansion was that it didn't include the Ambulation that was promised to players years ago.

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