EVE General Discussion

@ CCP Greyscale: Could you please let us know if you are still reading the thread?

I read most of the 30 epic pages. As expected, the thread is full of high sec dwellers gloating at the proposed changes. The standard one-liners like "adapt", "HTFU" and "go get real PvP" are abundant.

However, satisfying one group of players at the expense of the other group does not make a balanced, fair and engaging game. In this specific case, the "outlaws" get penalized not only by increased risk of engagement - the new rules aim to make the game BORING for them.

If I am a "suspect", everyone can attack me. Fair enough - I am a bad guy, after all.

However, I will lose sec status if I defend myself. Even if I prevail over "white knights", it is a Pyrrhic victory. I will soon lose the ability to enter the very high sec systems where I perpetrate my crimes. The only way I could undo the sec status damage is participating in PvE. Yes, that very activity that I find despicably boring. The reward I get for risking my expensive ship against a whole system of people is an obligation to shoot at red crosses, possibly for hours. Yes, I can buy myself out of this obligation; but how affordable will the tags be? Not very, as no outlaw likes to shoot at red crosses.

Now, some questions and answers:

** Will this drive me to "real" PvP in lowsec or 0.0? Never. I will adapt to the new rules. I will get me an L4 agent, or I will just buy enough tags to be able to enter 0.5-0.7. I will solve my logistics problems with freighter alts. I will also play less, and cancel a couple of my subs, as the game just became more boring.

**Do the proposed changes have a potential for abuse and griefing? You betcha. A miner "stealing" his ore back now risks losing their sec status, if baited and aggressed properly. Bad news for the miner. The good old "wreck-on-the-highsec-gate" scam becomes much, much more meaningful - and almost impossible to safeguard from (apart from not taking from the wreck... but when did the newbies learn to resist the shinies?). Yes, there is now a safety switch in the menu, bit a 1 mil ISK BPC, or a few T2 modules, or a full can of Plagio will do the job 8 times out of 10, like they do now.



**Is there a BETTER way, or are you just whining? You bet there is a better way! Instead of hitting us outlaws with sec status losses for ship kills while under suspect flag, give victims, or even entire victim corps kill rights. Also, make pilots with applicable kill rights visible in overview (the return of the red blinky?).

To elaborate: I am an outlaw, I flipped a can, and I now I am fighting two "white knight" Crapacals with my Punisher. The failfit Crapacals die under my lazors. But that's not the end of it: the Crapacal pilots (possibly their entire corps) mow have killrights on me! Next time I come to the system in a shiny T2 hauler, bringing T2 Punishers and faction ammo from Jita. The victims see me as red in their overview, and gank my Viator ruthlessly. Their plagioclase has been avenged.

As an outlaw, I have suffered the consequences. At the same time, the game experience for everybody (including my victims) is more fun.

Greyscale, could you please chime in on this idea?

Have your friend set you +10, problem solved. If they're not willing to do that, they are not your friend anyway, so myabe you should drop ammo for him then shoot him.

If person didn't know that +10 standing removes steal alarm then that person is not playing the game, just trolling.

wft???
you like to write things that don't have any meaning?

Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty

this is a great idea should make for exciting play for yourself if ya can flip /bait mission runners an people who rely on on that for kills will have to grow a pair



Mayst the LOrd bless you

They won't. You are a doormat. You have been a doormat for 10 years. Is it wrong? Is it right? It is.

Yea... that is interesting question.

Whoever came up with the new crimewatch ideas needs their heads read.

Please seek counselling.

I'm not entirely what CCP are smoking with the "new change better than old non-change amirite?" approach but it's obviously the production of a crack smoking griefer.

I don't understand why it is that people cannot get it through their heads that if you change eve from a sandbox to a PVP game exclusively, it will kill it.

The advent of pay to win and other mechanics that have recently been added are obviously messed up as it is. Being able to just pay $15 for a bunch of ship losses is absurd.

The Titans online and grief online nicknames aren't there for no reason.

I'm all for PVP, but what is the point against people who aren't ready for it and/or don't wish to ?

It's a sandbox, not a PVPbox.

Not 100% sure, but don't think it is part of the bit that comes on the 24th.

I used to think gankers who fought against making highsec safer were fighting to keep EVE good for the reasons it is good. But after this thread I am not soooo sure. All of these are great changes ;D It is wayyy too funny to see can flippers crying because they might actually fight someone they can lose to now. The truth comes out! You only want it dangerous for everyone else.

I left highsec when I was a month old and have lived in 0.0 since then. It is much safer than highsec and a lot more fun! The more dangerous highsec is, the better off we are since -hopefully- more people will realize they can join a 0.0 corp and anomaly all day with much more safety than highsec missioning. Any mechanic that gives more agro to more people (without getting concord involved) is a good mechanic.