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Fanfest: Crimewatch

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Mata Hotaki
aussie1hi brett Corporation
#621 - 2012-04-04 11:51:37 UTC
@ CCP Greyscale: Could you please let us know if you are still reading the thread?

I read most of the 30 epic pages. As expected, the thread is full of high sec dwellers gloating at the proposed changes. The standard one-liners like "adapt", "HTFU" and "go get real PvP" are abundant.

However, satisfying one group of players at the expense of the other group does not make a balanced, fair and engaging game. In this specific case, the "outlaws" get penalized not only by increased risk of engagement - the new rules aim to make the game BORING for them.

If I am a "suspect", everyone can attack me. Fair enough - I am a bad guy, after all.

However, I will lose sec status if I defend myself. Even if I prevail over "white knights", it is a Pyrrhic victory. I will soon lose the ability to enter the very high sec systems where I perpetrate my crimes. The only way I could undo the sec status damage is participating in PvE. Yes, that very activity that I find despicably boring. The reward I get for risking my expensive ship against a whole system of people is an obligation to shoot at red crosses, possibly for hours. Yes, I can buy myself out of this obligation; but how affordable will the tags be? Not very, as no outlaw likes to shoot at red crosses.

Now, some questions and answers:

** Will this drive me to "real" PvP in lowsec or 0.0? Never. I will adapt to the new rules. I will get me an L4 agent, or I will just buy enough tags to be able to enter 0.5-0.7. I will solve my logistics problems with freighter alts. I will also play less, and cancel a couple of my subs, as the game just became more boring.

**Do the proposed changes have a potential for abuse and griefing? You betcha. A miner "stealing" his ore back now risks losing their sec status, if baited and aggressed properly. Bad news for the miner. The good old "wreck-on-the-highsec-gate" scam becomes much, much more meaningful - and almost impossible to safeguard from (apart from not taking from the wreck... but when did the newbies learn to resist the shinies?). Yes, there is now a safety switch in the menu, bit a 1 mil ISK BPC, or a few T2 modules, or a full can of Plagio will do the job 8 times out of 10, like they do now.



**Is there a BETTER way, or are you just whining? You bet there is a better way! Instead of hitting us outlaws with sec status losses for ship kills while under suspect flag, give victims, or even entire victim corps kill rights. Also, make pilots with applicable kill rights visible in overview (the return of the red blinky?).

To elaborate: I am an outlaw, I flipped a can, and I now I am fighting two "white knight" Crapacals with my Punisher. The failfit Crapacals die under my lazors. But that's not the end of it: the Crapacal pilots (possibly their entire corps) mow have killrights on me! Next time I come to the system in a shiny T2 hauler, bringing T2 Punishers and faction ammo from Jita. The victims see me as red in their overview, and gank my Viator ruthlessly. Their plagioclase has been avenged.

As an outlaw, I have suffered the consequences. At the same time, the game experience for everybody (including my victims) is more fun.

Greyscale, could you please chime in on this idea?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#622 - 2012-04-04 13:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
thanks for the great summary

Velicia Tuoro wrote:
Sec Status....
- Killing someone with a negative sec gives you bonus...
-5 can be killed without penalty in low sec.
...



Ok if I shoot someone who is say -1.8 I gain sec status but I still go gcc and get sentery gun fire in low sec and concord in high sec?



Velicia Tuoro wrote:

Killmails
- Adding "battle reports", stats and details. Who has repped who etc
- More data in the API....


Does the "etc." include fleet booster alts?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Adunh Slavy
#623 - 2012-04-04 15:52:51 UTC
Mr Welsh wrote:
CAN FLIPING GETING NERFED? i knew blizzard would buy out CCP and start ruining this game as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if my friend drops a can of ammo for me and im not in his corp, i am red to everyone , thats just fing stupid!

*hovers finger on the uninstall Eve online button*



Have your friend set you +10, problem solved. If they're not willing to do that, they are not your friend anyway, so myabe you should drop ammo for him then shoot him.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Severian Carnifex
#624 - 2012-04-04 17:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Severian Carnifex
we want answers bump!!!


Stop the killings of hundreds of millions worth ship with ten times cheaper ships!!!
Stop giving this game to griefers only!!!
Give some love to people that want to build and not destroy!!!
Stop risk free 100% sure murders!!!
Give some love to miners after all this years!!!
Stop rewarding the murderers whose victims did not have any chance!!!
Avila Cracko
#625 - 2012-04-05 07:27:23 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Mr Welsh wrote:
CAN FLIPING GETING NERFED? i knew blizzard would buy out CCP and start ruining this game as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if my friend drops a can of ammo for me and im not in his corp, i am red to everyone , thats just fing stupid!

*hovers finger on the uninstall Eve online button*



Have your friend set you +10, problem solved. If they're not willing to do that, they are not your friend anyway, so myabe you should drop ammo for him then shoot him.



If person didn't know that +10 standing removes steal alarm then that person is not playing the game, just trolling.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Adunh Slavy
#626 - 2012-04-05 09:29:32 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Mr Welsh wrote:
CAN FLIPING GETING NERFED? i knew blizzard would buy out CCP and start ruining this game as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if my friend drops a can of ammo for me and im not in his corp, i am red to everyone , thats just fing stupid!

*hovers finger on the uninstall Eve online button*



Have your friend set you +10, problem solved. If they're not willing to do that, they are not your friend anyway, so myabe you should drop ammo for him then shoot him.



If person didn't know that +10 standing removes steal alarm then that person is not playing the game, just trolling.


So you're trolling then? Got it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Avila Cracko
#627 - 2012-04-05 11:36:05 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Mr Welsh wrote:
CAN FLIPING GETING NERFED? i knew blizzard would buy out CCP and start ruining this game as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if my friend drops a can of ammo for me and im not in his corp, i am red to everyone , thats just fing stupid!

*hovers finger on the uninstall Eve online button*



Have your friend set you +10, problem solved. If they're not willing to do that, they are not your friend anyway, so myabe you should drop ammo for him then shoot him.



If person didn't know that +10 standing removes steal alarm then that person is not playing the game, just trolling.


So you're trolling then? Got it.



wft???
you like to write things that don't have any meaning?

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

bornaa
GRiD.
#628 - 2012-04-05 14:45:32 UTC
Will any DEV give us answers here??? Roll

Please guys?
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
BROTHER Mullakai
GoD SwarM
#629 - 2012-04-05 16:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: BROTHER Mullakai
Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty

this is a great idea should make for exciting play for yourself if ya can flip /bait mission runners an people who rely on on that for kills will have to grow a pair



Mayst the LOrd bless you
Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#630 - 2012-04-05 23:19:23 UTC
CCP Soundwave said in that 10 ton hammer interview the wardec system is almost ready to deploy now. I wonder if crimewatch is that far along...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#631 - 2012-04-05 23:25:50 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
we want answers bump!!!


Stop the killings of hundreds of millions worth ship with ten times cheaper ships!!!
Stop giving this game to griefers only!!!
Give some love to people that want to build and not destroy!!!
Stop risk free 100% sure murders!!!
Give some love to miners after all this years!!!
Stop rewarding the murderers whose victims did not have any chance!!!


They won't. You are a doormat. You have been a doormat for 10 years. Is it wrong? Is it right? It is.
Severian Carnifex
#632 - 2012-04-06 09:09:03 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Severian Carnifex wrote:
we want answers bump!!!


Stop the killings of hundreds of millions worth ship with ten times cheaper ships!!!
Stop giving this game to griefers only!!!
Give some love to people that want to build and not destroy!!!
Stop risk free 100% sure murders!!!
Give some love to miners after all this years!!!
Stop rewarding the murderers whose victims did not have any chance!!!


They won't. You are a doormat. You have been a doormat for 10 years. Is it wrong? Is it right? It is.



Thank you a lot Sad

So, is that official CCP stance??? What?
bornaa
GRiD.
#633 - 2012-04-06 16:56:04 UTC
Cearain wrote:



Velicia Tuoro wrote:

Killmails
- Adding "battle reports", stats and details. Who has repped who etc
- More data in the API....


Does the "etc." include fleet booster alts?



Yea... that is interesting question.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Avila Cracko
#634 - 2012-04-10 08:03:35 UTC
Dump for answers...

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#635 - 2012-04-10 09:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Whoever came up with the new crimewatch ideas needs their heads read.

Please seek counselling.

I'm not entirely what CCP are smoking with the "new change better than old non-change amirite?" approach but it's obviously the production of a crack smoking griefer.

I don't understand why it is that people cannot get it through their heads that if you change eve from a sandbox to a PVP game exclusively, it will kill it.

The advent of pay to win and other mechanics that have recently been added are obviously messed up as it is. Being able to just pay $15 for a bunch of ship losses is absurd.

The Titans online and grief online nicknames aren't there for no reason.

I'm all for PVP, but what is the point against people who aren't ready for it and/or don't wish to ?

It's a sandbox, not a PVPbox.

.

Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#636 - 2012-04-12 00:54:33 UTC
I'm really starting to wonder if this is still planned for the next release at all? Has anyone seen anything from anyone at CCP on when this is going down?
Adunh Slavy
#637 - 2012-04-12 02:02:47 UTC
Manssell wrote:
I'm really starting to wonder if this is still planned for the next release at all? Has anyone seen anything from anyone at CCP on when this is going down?



Not 100% sure, but don't think it is part of the bit that comes on the 24th.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#638 - 2012-04-12 02:07:02 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Manssell wrote:
I'm really starting to wonder if this is still planned for the next release at all? Has anyone seen anything from anyone at CCP on when this is going down?
Not 100% sure, but don't think it is part of the bit that comes on the 24th.
Looking at the features page, it seems like it'll be for Inferno (May) not Escalation (April), and I seem to recall seeing the same on the roll-out slides form the fanfest presentations.

Basically: Escalation — iterations on incursions, drone regions, loot, titans, character creation; Infero — massive changes to core systems, such as wardecs, crimewatch, ships.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#639 - 2012-04-12 02:13:37 UTC
I used to think gankers who fought against making highsec safer were fighting to keep EVE good for the reasons it is good. But after this thread I am not soooo sure. All of these are great changes ;D It is wayyy too funny to see can flippers crying because they might actually fight someone they can lose to now. The truth comes out! You only want it dangerous for everyone else.

I left highsec when I was a month old and have lived in 0.0 since then. It is much safer than highsec and a lot more fun! The more dangerous highsec is, the better off we are since -hopefully- more people will realize they can join a 0.0 corp and anomaly all day with much more safety than highsec missioning. Any mechanic that gives more agro to more people (without getting concord involved) is a good mechanic.

Ferox #1

Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#640 - 2012-04-12 16:20:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Manssell wrote:
I'm really starting to wonder if this is still planned for the next release at all? Has anyone seen anything from anyone at CCP on when this is going down?
Not 100% sure, but don't think it is part of the bit that comes on the 24th.
Looking at the features page, it seems like it'll be for Inferno (May) not Escalation (April), and I seem to recall seeing the same on the roll-out slides form the fanfest presentations.

Basically: Escalation — iterations on incursions, drone regions, loot, titans, character creation; Infero — massive changes to core systems, such as wardecs, crimewatch, ships.



Ahh Thank you.