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CSM - Do you think? (... continued)

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#201 - 2011-09-23 10:53:15 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:

3. Lower quality space lower resources. Higher quality space higher resources. What does this have to do with how boring mining is? We all know mining is terribly boring.

At least at the moment they have an ISK incentive.

If ABC ores are dropped entirely from worm holes, I would just stop mining. Make more off sleepers anyway.
I doubt I am the only one that would stop.
Basically, Hulks are used much less and probably would stop entirely. The risk vs gain of mining other ores in WHs just isn't there without ABC ores.

Checked the values of ores which have Zydrine in them? Good luck getting that without Crokite mining


1. No one any where has said that ABCs are being dropped entirely from worm holes.
2. Minerals come from drone space. Seriously who mines anymore. Just compress in Jita and export.


In fact no one has said anywhere that they're being dropped from any Wormholes.. Of course facts don't matter to people who just want to sieze on something - anything - to yell at the CSM about.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#202 - 2011-09-26 09:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
(Have been working in RL a lot lately, so I will go back and read the latest posts, then reply to them at a later stage.)

Jenshae Chiroptera > Ice is going to be null sec only soon
Friend > nah they cant do that too many people with hi sec pos's will complain
Jenshae Chiroptera > They also want to remove ABC ore from POS from C1 and C2
Friend > the thing is that would effectivaly kill off half of the playerbase becuase most corps have hi sec and low sec pos's and people wont move to 0.0
Friend > ok, so oif they do that, they should effectivly put ice in wh's
Jenshae Chiroptera > Nope. They are trying to push more people out to null sec
Friend > wont work. people will just quit. they tried that one a few years ago, it failed
Friend > they changed the whole sov mechanic hoping it would encourage smaller alliances to settle in 0.0
Friend > problem was it basically bankrupted the smaller ones becuase the cost is astronomical
Jenshae Chiroptera > Null sec is too small
Friend > null sec is boring same old crap every day
Jenshae Chiroptera > If it was huge, people could covert a cyno ship in, then build a base quietly in someone's back yard. Especially if it worked like WH space
Friend > why you think smaller alliances rent space from the big one?
Jenshae Chiroptera > They rent space because they can't defend themselves?
Friend > they rent it so the big alliance can pay their bill thats how it really works, the big alliance depends on the renters to cover the cost
Jenshae Chiroptera > Interesting. I thought they wouldn't want an alliance growing in their territory
Friend > theres more to this wormhole ore business than meets the eye. the reason goons dont want people in wh's is becuase theres no sov. wormholes are cheap 0.0 basically
Friend > i reckon more people are considering wormholes and the alarm bells are ringing becuase theres less people to defend their space, thats my impression
Friend > the amount of ore in a wh wont affect the amount in 0.0
Friend > so ccp is trying to force people into something that will effectively kill the game

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

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Jita Alt666
#203 - 2011-09-26 20:01:50 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
(Have been working in RL a lot lately, so I will go back and read the latest posts, then reply to them at a later stage.)

Jenshae Chiroptera > Ice is going to be null sec only soon
Friend > nah they cant do that too many people with hi sec pos's will complain
Jenshae Chiroptera > They also want to remove ABC ore from POS from C1 and C2
Friend > the thing is that would effectivaly kill off half of the playerbase becuase most corps have hi sec and low sec pos's and people wont move to 0.0
Friend > ok, so oif they do that, they should effectivly put ice in wh's
Jenshae Chiroptera > Nope. They are trying to push more people out to null sec
Friend > wont work. people will just quit. they tried that one a few years ago, it failed
Friend > they changed the whole sov mechanic hoping it would encourage smaller alliances to settle in 0.0
Friend > problem was it basically bankrupted the smaller ones becuase the cost is astronomical
Jenshae Chiroptera > Null sec is too small
Friend > null sec is boring same old crap every day
Jenshae Chiroptera > If it was huge, people could covert a cyno ship in, then build a base quietly in someone's back yard. Especially if it worked like WH space
Friend > why you think smaller alliances rent space from the big one?
Jenshae Chiroptera > They rent space because they can't defend themselves?
Friend > they rent it so the big alliance can pay their bill thats how it really works, the big alliance depends on the renters to cover the cost
Jenshae Chiroptera > Interesting. I thought they wouldn't want an alliance growing in their territory
Friend > theres more to this wormhole ore business than meets the eye. the reason goons dont want people in wh's is becuase theres no sov. wormholes are cheap 0.0 basically
Friend > i reckon more people are considering wormholes and the alarm bells are ringing becuase theres less people to defend their space, thats my impression
Friend > the amount of ore in a wh wont affect the amount in 0.0
Friend > so ccp is trying to force people into something that will effectively kill the game


Why link a random log of you and a random person talking about things that no one has said apart from yourself?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#204 - 2011-09-26 20:35:42 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:


Why link a random log of you and a random person talking about things that no one has said apart from yourself?


Page 27

"CCP talked about removing ABC (Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite) mining sites from wormhole space at some point in the future. This may be from all wormholes, or possibly from lower class wormholes only. It was claimed by some members of the CSM that a large fraction of the high end ore supply is produced through these sites, however the CSMs who were active in wormholes would not accept this claim without hard data to back it up."

I forget where I saw the proposed ice changes, so tougher to find the link for that.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Magnus Orin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2011-09-26 20:44:33 UTC
Lowsec and 0.0 are the real Eve. Highsec is really just an extended tutorial zone.

Look at any Eve promo video/trailer. Which sections of space, and what type of gameplay do they promote the most?

it should be difficult to make any isk at all in high sec, outside of trading.

In my opinion, all major resource sources in this game, should come from outside of high sec.

Mission running has no place in Eve, and should be phased out. Except missions in lowsec/null.

If you want to do PVE, do incursions or wormholes.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#206 - 2011-09-26 20:57:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Quote:
The bottom line is that the more information the CSM has, the better advices it can give to CCP.


I might start with the same old tired requests that the community presents every damn year.
CSM, **** you and your wh minerals... there I said it.




The CSM is sitting there at a table with CCP suggesting that they overhaul the wrong game elements.



Quote:
Zulu said CSM could have a selection of the Little Things backlog, and Soundwave wants the CSM to give him a ‘top 10’ list drawn from it – i.e. to have the CSM prioritize the items so BFF can get a better feel for what is important to players.




Maybe you should post a thread about this little part, ya know so we know that your not just pulling out of your ass as usual.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#207 - 2011-09-26 21:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis wrote:


In fact no one has said anywhere that they're being dropped from any Wormholes.. Of course facts don't matter to people who just want to sieze on something - anything - to yell at the CSM about.



And yet it is on the table and being discussed...
Ya know, instead of important things.


No one can tell me, you or anyone else how a WH mineral nerf will (noticeably) better industry in Empire or null sec.
Go ahead CSM, I dare you to explain it in this thread.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#208 - 2011-09-26 21:10:22 UTC
lol you'll believe anything that gets you riled up and frothing at the mouth because goons

removing ice from high-sec wouldn't affect anyone in high-sec anywhere as much as null-sec residents who need the ice products and cba to mine ice (mining enough ice to fuel all of our towers would be a nightmare)

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#209 - 2011-09-26 22:38:42 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


In fact no one has said anywhere that they're being dropped from any Wormholes.. Of course facts don't matter to people who just want to sieze on something - anything - to yell at the CSM about.



And yet it is on the table and being discussed...
Ya know, instead of important things.


No one can tell me, you or anyone else how a WH mineral nerf will (noticeably) better industry in Empire or null sec.
Go ahead CSM, I dare you to explain it in this thread.



It's being "discussed", after the CSM explicitly said that they'd be devoting exactly 0% of their time to the issue, only because you keep bringing it up. It's not happening instead of "important things" because no-one involved with "important things" is in any way interested in it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2011-09-26 22:44:42 UTC
Quote:
CSM - Do you think? (... continued)


No...no they do not.

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Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#211 - 2011-09-26 22:51:10 UTC
Seems like the null sec noobs just don't understand. Most of them are just a number that are told what to do. And currently they are being told to say:


WH = Bad (which is laughable and why I call them noobs)
Hi-sec = very bad
low-sec = okay for now (otherwise it is just too obvious)

Don't you fools wish there was a dislike button :)

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#212 - 2011-09-26 23:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Malcanis I see, the manufacturing "buff" that this idea was included in is not planned.


Everything is fine then!




P.S.
I too am looking forward to manufacturing in empire being even more **** then it is now. All hulks to null!!

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2011-09-26 23:25:43 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Quote:
CSM - Do you think? (... continued)


No...no they do not.

They are too busy actually accomplishing things.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#214 - 2011-09-26 23:29:05 UTC
^ That may be the best troll post that you have submitted to date Miss Scarlet. Big smile

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Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#215 - 2011-09-27 00:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Wing
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Conflict of interest

A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.


I'm curious what mechanism the OP would propose that would eliminate any possible conflicts of interest in CSM candidates.

Would you disallow members of player organizations from running for CSM?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#216 - 2011-09-27 00:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
For one thing, smaller alliances won't reap direct rewards from the changes. Their influence in the game and in the development staff is minimal.

(Not as coherent as I would like but it is late here and I must slumber.)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#217 - 2011-09-27 00:56:46 UTC
Am I correct in understanding, then, that you'd propose disallowing members of large alliances from running?

What's the cutoff point for a small alliance?
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2011-09-27 00:57:55 UTC
Smaller groups being less represented in a democratic system? What madness is this?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#219 - 2011-09-27 01:06:14 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Smaller groups being less represented in a democratic system? What madness is this?


I guess you don't remember middle school then do you?
I mean, Texas is so big it out votes all the rest of the states in the US by itself!!!!

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Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#220 - 2011-09-27 01:22:50 UTC
^^ I know one of those two posters is being sarcastic. But I'm honestly not sure which...