EVE General Discussion

Well put

Excellent post by stoicfaux, it's a nice expansion on his thoughts here, it also ties in very nicely with Serene Reposes thoughts here

I think what Stoicfaux is getting at is the whole "wild west frontier" in hi sec idea. You could have pockets of civilisation, protected and policed by the people who live there, outside of those pockets it wouldn't necessarily be lawless but considerably more dangerous to live, work, trade, PVE etc, it would still be hi sec but mainly policed by basic NPCs, not the invunerable concord kind of NPC, more along the lines of Faction Navy with patrols being run by players occasionally. At least until someone decides that "hey this is a nice bit of space, we'll have some of that and we'll install some upgrades", call it a mini extension of sov mechanics for us carebears.

It wouldn't actually kill non-consensual PVP, in fact it would probably increase the amount of PVP going on in hi sec. It would certainly add more risk for the gankers, but it would also encourage people to team up, spend ISK on upgrades and actively seek out and destroy said gankers.

Eventually carebear "empires" would clash with other carebear empires as they seek to expand their influence or resource caches, you recruit amongst your rivals, you raid their infrastructure, you kill their miners, you absorb them into your empire, you become stronger and more influential, most of this is already covered by the existing war dec mechanics but it adds a whole new level of gameplay for the white hat/ black hat players among us. Somebody having something you want is always good for conflict and TBH conflict is good for everyone, CCP gain, carebears gain, PVP corps gain, industry gains & the whole reputation of Eve as harsh, dark and unforgiving gains.

At present the null sec alliances are what drives the narrative and content of Eve, let us poor reviled carebears have a chance of creating our own conflict driven narrative and content, if you encourage people to team up to protect what they see as theirs some of them will find whole new ways of playing and eventually migrate down to null sec where the big boys play. I think the best comparison would be calling it a junior school for null and low.

Most of the stuff here is already possible in null sec, and could also be applied to lo sec, especially the main conflict drivers, I know that some of the null sec folks will say "hey come on down to null, we do all that stuff", but null sec is rightly seen as very cut-throat and scary also :politics:, this approach would introduce a watered down null concept for both hi and low sec, once people experience it they may well wish to move onto bigger and better things and go to null to really duke it out for power, riches and influence.

The basic mechanics are already there in null sec, it would be an expansion of these into high sec in a limited form, an expansion that is completely driven by war and deserving of the name EVE.

What you say makes perfect sense, if you can shoot at NPCs then yep player pirates should be able to shoot at you, but the people shooting NPCs should also be able to run their own security contingents to shoot back at player pirates.

It's not a major jump from the mechanics we already have, it just gives the people outside of null some of the options that null dwellers already have.

It could even fit in with current mission mechanics/lore, currently NPC agents hire you to take down various NPCs which is already a form of player run law enforcement, extending it so that players are primarily responsible for their system security instead of concord is by no means a major leap.

SO more whining about changes. so look at it this way, You go rob a bank kill a few folks on the way out and manage to blow up some poor gals car in new york city. well the cops will be chasing ya, crimestoppers will have a description of you for someone to turn you in. so in affect that is in a sense Empire space but Concord and local navy forces have now granted folks in empire space to mete out justice to said can flipper, gankers, and so on. I kinda see this as a move to help promote low sec combat seeing so many pirates have cried for some attention. well now you got it.

Remember that old saying "Be careful what ya wish for" and the other one "Careful you do not let the Djinni out of the bottle"

strange enough i can also foretell the weather........i see a storm on the horizon and it smells like ganker tears

Which is why webbers and scrammers die first, if someone comes in and pops the trigger and you can't tank the damage it gives you an opportunity to GTFO. Alternatively if you can tank it no problems, leave the scrammers and then if you get a ninja come in there's a good chance they'll get scrammed and die in an NPC fire, you could of course be an evil bugger and ransom said ninja for his loot and salvage if they do get scrammed by offering to take out the offending NPC. Grief works both ways

Bump for Avila Crackos question from me too.

Or loosing a tornado after ganking couple of exumers, justice indeed.

CAN FLIPING GETING NERFED? i knew blizzard would buy out CCP and start ruining this game as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if my friend drops a can of ammo for me and im not in his corp, i am red to everyone , thats just fing stupid!

*hovers finger on the uninstall Eve online button*

inb4 ragequit, can i has ur stuffz plx?