Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Take away penalties for t2 missiles

Explosion radius' and velocities need to be rebalanced, expecially cruise missiles. Precision missiles of all types aren't as effective as they should be. They could probably use an explosion velocity buff.



Caracal(and all it's variants), Tengu, Kestrel, and any other missile boats limited to one missile damage type needs to be buffed to allow for equal use with all damage types. Except for stealth bombers, they are the only missile boats that should be limited.
Limiting them to one damage type is essntially taking away from 1 of two major reasons to use missiles, the second being no optimal range.

Having multiple missile damage types is pointless when most of the ships they fit on don't even have bonuses for them. Just look at heavy missiles. Pretty much every ship that can use heavy missiles only has bonuses for kinetic damage, thus defeating the purpose of even having the other 3 damage types.

Most ratters in low or null will dock up in the event someone they don't know comes into system. This is why they hate afk cloakers so much. Cause it scares them just like a carebear to where they stay docked up and their security can't find the target.

Missile bonuses on ships has nothing to do with what your target is fitting when they're running pve, but rather what the common fit is in pvp. Most pvp players fit their ships with an omni buffer tank, so reguardless of which missile type I fire at them, it's not gonna make a whole lot of difference.

Missile damage bonuses shouldn't be based off what a gank target is fitting, but rather what a valid pvp target may be fitting, which again, it typically an omni-resist.
So basically, by limiting bonuses to one damage type, you're essentially only limiting them in pve.


HOWEVER, even if it was common for pvp players to fit specific resistances instead of omni, than that's no reason to limit missiles to what they would commonly tank. Missiles only have 2 things going for them over turrets. No optimal, so if you're in range, you're gonna get hit, and all 4 damage options.

Just because some tool in null sec doesn't wanna prepare himself for pvp, which is the primary focus in null, doesn't mean missile boats should be limited.

I'm well aware that the damage bonus doesn't limit you to only being able to use one damage type, however, it does limit you to EFFECTIVENESS with other damage types.

Like I said though,this really doesn't effect pvp seeing as how
, like I said, most players omni resist, so instead it just limits the pve effectiveness of these missile boats.

I swear I'm the only person that hates missiles for PvE Tried plexing in a pure gank CNR for a bit (I had another ship tanking), managing the target painters, trying not to fire too many missiles... urgh... effort.

Machariel on the other hand <3 Point and shoot baby.

But yeah, anyway, fix missiles rabble rabble rabble.

oh yeah...forgot they said that. So now, not only are missiles going to be worse than turrets in pvp, but their also going to be effected by disruptors, so they'll suck even more.



Yeah, the raven and CNR suck @ss in my opinion. However, I have a tengu with 705 dps and a pretty damn good tank.....Just too bad that 705 dps is only for kinetic.. It's around 550 for any other missile type.

Nerf the drakes DPS all you want. But for the love of all missile users please buff the raven and caracel (along with the cerberus)



TBH i think rails need lower tracking speeds and higher damage.

Let's ignore that particular bit of stupidity about omnitanking. Why do you think the Tengu and Drake need to be buffed in PVE?

Its not just the tengu and Drake, its pretty much all heavy missile boats. The vast majority of them only get bonuses for kinetic damage.

The question I have for u is, why not?

I didn't say they were underpowered as kinetic missile boats, they're just underpowered as anything else boats.
Part of missiles is their versatility in damage types. Lets take the Raven class ships as an example. They have the same damage bonuses for all missile types, not just kinetic.

The other factor though is, besides bs class ships, there isn't very many ships that get bonuses for anything besides kinetic.
Pretty much every ship under the size of a battleship, only receives a bonus to kinetic missile damage, so what's the point in having anything besides kinetic missiles?

I'm not saying that all of these boats suck, I'm just saying that the versatility that is supposed to be given by missiles is inhibited because of a false belief that it effects pvp. Like I said, you either omni-resist, or you have no tank in pvp. So missile boats only receiving bonuses to one damage type isn't doing anything but reducing a major factor for using missiles and that is damage versatility.

Yes, the fact that they pretty much suck against tanked targets with any other damage type.



Well, that's because the raven sucks as a ship. What i was stating there is that if there are larger class ships that can potentially get more dps, then why are smaller class ships limited to only bonuses for one damage type?

You keep pressing for me to give reasoning and evidence why they need the same bonuses with all damage types, but yet you haven't and/or can't provide me with a reason why they shouldn't.