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Now, if only people would accept that there was a genuine problem and not a 'non-event' then there would really be nothing left to talk about but as long as the propaganda machine keeps on pushing the damage limitation line other people are going to push back.

Edit - Basically, take it on the chin, stop trying to minimise what was a fairly serious thing and you remove the motivation for other people to paint it as a VERY serious thing by way of counterbalance.

Nonsense. You took it upon yourself to take a YouTube video, post it in two separate threads and try to shift the discussion towards this "new evidence" while dragging in CCP Soundwave. Another guy (or your alt) posted it in GD and it was locked. Nobody is debating the morality of what he did - Mittani screwed up. You, however, are willing to take down the lead game designer in pursuit of some agenda.

You don't think they're talking about assisted suicide in that quote? Really?

You think that they're talking about people saying mean things? ******* really?

Because last time I checked the main person responsible in an act of killing oneself is---ONESELF.

All that person's life built up to that moment and you want to hold the ninny responsible who said the last mean thing?

******* really?

[edit: This subject is so stupid I almost forgot my main point. THE GUY CANNOT SUE AS, HE DID NOT KILL HIMSELF. Or can you find a spot in a law somewhere that says "almost killing oneself" or "giving increased consideration to killing oneself" as a result of a supposed "tormentor"? Also, what about all the people who ran to The Wis pointing to this "mean video"? Where is their respective culpability? The guy didn't even know what was going on...until you people pointed it out.]

You can find a post where I mention Soundwave? You must have a version of eve-search that works on alternate realities. Link please as that could be really fun.


Really. You must be reading different threads to me. In fact, are you even reading your own posts? Didn't you just say that it was a 'non-event'?

Personally, I would have lost interest days ago if I didn't wake up each morning to find a new line on why everyone else is terrible and disgusting but the Mittani really didn't do anything wrong. We started off with pretty much all the Goons that were posting claiming that actually, there was nothing wrong with what happened at fanfest and a pretty large chunk posting that it would be good if the comments had led to suicide (because Darwin ...). Then we had lots of Goons arguing that the presentation was fine because it didn't break the EULA/ToS. Then it was the freedom of speech issue. Then it was days of posts about how everyone else is disgusting because they are feigning moral outrage, metagaming (!) and trying to secure political advantage. Intermittent Roadhouse posts. Then the countless posts about how 10k players had been disenfranchised. Then the broader moral equivalency campaign and the creation of false dilemmas. Then the blame the media campaign. And all with a constant undercurrent of 'Really, the Mittani didn't do anything wrong but everyone else is a ****!' (a tradition that you appear to be a proud member of).

As I say, hundreds and hundreds of posts like that and people will continue to push back because they will be unwilling to allow you to frame the narrative in those terms.

I'm appalled. Honestly. Not by CCP's decision, but by the fact that many seem to be hell bent on defending Mittani's unacceptable behavior and minimize its gravity. This pretty much validates the opinion i had on certain (luckily very localized) parts of the EVE community, and on the fact that their in-game lack of morals pretty much extends out of the game

You seriously gotta learn to live with it. Mittani screwed up, badly. He's paying the consequences as the visibility he sought so actively came to bite him in the rear. If he was a normal goon in any other game at the moment he would be banned permanently. A 30 days ban and the exclusion from the CSM are a rather mild penalty for his action, and he should deem himself lucky.

Unfortunately paying the consequences of one's actions is something that, in EVE, happens a lot less than what's suggested by CCP's advertisement, so quite a few of you may not be too familiar with the concept.

It's not CCP that screwed up. It's not Sony, it's not the gaming press, it's not the large part of the community that wanted Mittani ousted. It's Mittani that screwed up. If you're angry at the consequences of those actions, the only one you should point your virtual torches and pitchforks at is Mittani himself. Of course many of you won't, because you're extremely biased.

The attempt to bully the gaming press into removing the articles on Mittani's screwup is just as appalling, and I say this as a fellow gaming writer that didn't write anything at all about this whole hubbub, simply because I never felt Mittani to be anywhere newsworthy, and because I think this whole mess shed indirect and undeserved bad press not on Mittani, but on the EVE community as a whole. While the bad press on Mittani was entirely deserved, I preferred to keep silent to avoid dragging the community into the pit with him

While there was a small amount of inaccuracies in reporting the facts, it's rather obvious that those inaccuracies were just marginal to the case in point, and Mittani used the pressure of his people to try and silence the whole (very justified) criticism on his actions

The funniest part is that he's so bent on calling out the "irresponsible press" when he's on the receiving end, but I think everyone can remember how he riled up quite a lot of at least partly irresponsible and definitely biased articles against CCP when it suited his agenda and his personal visibility that seems so important to him.
I know, being on the receiving end of one's own methods is hard to swallow..

In the end the issue is pretty simple. Mittani screwed up badly. CCP dropped the banhammer, legitimately and from an entirely justified position. Defending his unacceptable behavior does nothing else than casting a bad light on this whole community. Trying to bully the free press into silence makes you no friends. Take this as a lesson. It could have been way more harsh.

Justification has nothing to do with it. They're trying to protect Mitanni with a symbolic 30d ban and whomever was involved. Others have received far harsher punishments for much less.

Just because they didn't make a dev blog about it doesn't mean they havent.
Just saying....

The fact that the victim didn't kill himself doesn't mean that there's no victim. In this case, by the way, the victim isn't just Mittani's target, but CCP itself and this community, over which Mittani attracted a lot of bad press.

I'm afraid you're the one entirely missing the point.

1) As im guessing you already know (but just for others that arn't paying attention): The Wis never threatend suicide, although he did mention he'd been feeling that way since his wife left him.

2) CCP have not claimed they are punishing the mittani for encouraging suicide, they have claimed he is being punished for breaking the TOS/EULA, most likely the player harassment clause.

But your "No victim means no offense." does ring true, if anyone tries to argue for involvement of the law or lawsuites for making someone kill themselves

if the 1000 people that just read this do that.... I think it would be rather invasive, or harassment even if we didn't intend such.
And also, just because law officials are notified, by some company from another country, that someones feeling "rather sad" doesnt mean they'll send a squad car over to his house or even take it seriously.

Also not everyone provides their real details when signing up for accounts over the internet.