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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1281 - 2012-04-02 14:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Kale Kold wrote:
If it was all pre-meditated then Mittani should be permabanned!


It was premeditated. The slide proved it. The "Drinks with Bolton" video from January of this year is overwhelming proof that Mittens had been planning this for at least 3 months. Drunkenness doesn't even begin to work as an excuse. If this were in a court this would be an open and closed case of premeditated cyber-bullying. The "Drinks with Bolton" video also proves that CCP is complicit in this whole fiasco. No wonder they're locking every thread about the situation except this one buried in the Dev blogs that are about as navigable as a maze with no exit.

Should real authorities get involved I would not want to be Hilmar.

"Drinks with Bolton" featuring CCP Soundwave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E&feature=player_detailpage#t=440s

Don't ban me, bro!
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1282 - 2012-04-02 14:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Azran Zala
Mr Kidd wrote:
Kale Kold wrote:
If it was all pre-meditated then Mittani should be permabanned!


...CCP is complicit in this whole fiasco. No wonder they're locking every thread about the situation except this one buried in the Dev blogs that are about as navigable as a maze with no exit.

Should real authorities get involved I would not want to be Hilmar.




Yup I think CCP needs to quickly permanently ban all The Wis's accounts to protect him from cyberbulling, and themselves from possible lawsuits. If he no longer has an account, then he can't be bullied. Problem solved.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1283 - 2012-04-02 14:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Azran Zala wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Kale Kold wrote:
If it was all pre-meditated then Mittani should be permabanned!


...CCP is complicit in this whole fiasco. No wonder they're locking every thread about the situation except this one buried in the Dev blogs that are about as navigable as a maze with no exit.

Should real authorities get involved I would not want to be Hilmar.




Yup I think CCP needs to quickly permanently ban all The Wis's accounts to protect him from cyberbulling, and themselves from possible lawsuits. If he no longer has an account, then he can't be bullied. Problem solved.



Mitanni alt detected.

CCP had better hope the "Drinks with Bolton" video doesn't make it outside the forums. Alcohol, cyber-bullying and CCP employees never mix. They've already admitted Mitanni violated the TOS/EULA. If the "media" gets hold of that we'll see the shite hitting the fan again. Twice in two weeks for the same situation is bad juju. The best advice I can give CCP is to be proactive in this situation: Perma-ban for Mitanni, administrative action against CCP Soundwave, new rules of conduct for CSM including something that officially distances CCP employees from getting too chummy with CSM members.

Don't ban me, bro!
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1284 - 2012-04-02 14:57:34 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

Mitanni alt detected.


Baseless accusations only make you look simple and uneducated.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1285 - 2012-04-02 15:00:46 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
The Mittani wrote:

The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012



if he did that ,nobody would even care,then he was just an idiot bigmouth from Goonswarm at some panel.
But being dumb he decided to go after one person,foolish action.
But it was interesting to see soundwave on that vid.

R.S.I2014
Lanasak
Doomheim
#1286 - 2012-04-02 15:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lanasak
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over it.
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1287 - 2012-04-02 15:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Azran Zala
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over yourself.


Agree'd but lets keep quiet about it and watch more people post to the contrary and prove what mindless sheep they are.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#1288 - 2012-04-02 15:07:08 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over it.


Hey wait a second!

I thought NPC corp alts had nothing to say...

I'm confused... wait, no I'm not.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1289 - 2012-04-02 15:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Azran Zala wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over yourself.


Agree'd but lets keep quiet about it and watch more people post to the contrary and prove what mindless sheep they are.


Right, because anytime someone says they're going to do something and then does it, it's completely unrelated. Got me there. I bow to your prowess of logic.

Unfortunately for Mitanni, that video coupled with a prepared slide, the former telegraphing his plan for fanfast & the latter facilitating it, is a clear line of evidence that would indeed support that it was premeditated.

Don't ban me, bro!
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1290 - 2012-04-02 16:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Azran Zala
Mr Kidd wrote:
Azran Zala wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over yourself.


Agree'd but lets keep quiet about it and watch more people post to the contrary and prove what mindless sheep they are.


Right, because anytime someone says they're going to do something and then does it, it's completely unrelated. Got me there. I bow to your prowess of logic.

Unfortunately for Mitanni, that video coupled with a prepared slide, the former telegraphing his plan for fanfast & the latter facilitating it, is a clear line of evidence that would indeed support that it was premeditated.


No. Because I have the intelect to detect when a bunch of boys are talking crap and one says figuratively how he hopes to tell whiners to go f*** themselves... and the difference between that and a neo-natzi meeting discussing a plot for genocide.
And also the fact that no-one at the alliance panel actually told or made anyone to go kill themselves.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#1291 - 2012-04-02 16:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lanasak
Mr Kidd wrote:
Right, because anytime someone says they're going to do something and then does it, it's completely unrelated. Got me there. I bow to your prowess of logic.

Unfortunately for Mitanni, that video coupled with a prepared slide, the former telegraphing his plan for fanfast & the latter facilitating it, is a clear line of evidence that would indeed support that it was premeditated.


if he had said at fanfest what he said in that interview, it would have just been a tasteless joke, but nothing to kick up a storm about "cyberbullying" or even a EULA/TOS violation

what he said at fanfest directly, unfairly targeted one player who was allegedly vulnerable. what he said in the interview was nothing close.

if that isn't enough of an explanation, oh well, I tried
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1292 - 2012-04-02 16:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Azran Zala wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Azran Zala wrote:
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over yourself.


Agree'd but lets keep quiet about it and watch more people post to the contrary and prove what mindless sheep they are.


Right, because anytime someone says they're going to do something and then does it, it's completely unrelated. Got me there. I bow to your prowess of logic.

Unfortunately for Mitanni, that video coupled with a prepared slide, the former telegraphing his plan for fanfast & the latter facilitating it, is a clear line of evidence that would indeed support that it was premeditated.


No. Because I have the intelect to detect when a bunch of boys are talking crap and one says figuratively how he hopes to tell whiners to go f*** themselves... and the difference between that and a neo-natzi meeting discussing a plot for genocide.
And also the fact that no-one at the alliance panel actually told or made anyone to go kill themselves.


But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. To blame the dead child for not HTFU is the very definition of sociopathic. Alex is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer. Perhaps that's why some people say he's a former lawyer. *shrugs* I don't really know either way and I don't really care what he does for a living. I do know he's an adult that for what ever reason, perhaps a lack of self-esteem, is pandering to the worst adolescent behavior. Even sadder is CCP's complicity in this....supposedly a group of adults and professionals.

CCP is complicit for several reasons: 1) The hand-slap of a punishment for Mitanni, 2) cultivating this environment, 3) cultivating the excessive alcohol use which feeds this type of behavior. While I would not have the game any other way than it is, the subculture that has bled into real-life needs to be expunged.

Don't ban me, bro!
Lanasak
Doomheim
#1293 - 2012-04-02 16:25:50 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. To blame the dead child for not HTFU is the very definition of sociopathic. Alex is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer. Perhaps that's why some people say he's a former lawyer. *shrugs* I don't really know either way and I don't really care what he does for a living. I do know he's an adult that for what ever reason, perhaps a lack of self-esteem, is pandering to the worst adolescent behavior. Even sadder is CCP's complicity in this....supposedly a group of adults and professionals.


nothing in that interview even hints at bullying so get over it
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1294 - 2012-04-02 16:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Lanasak wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. To blame the dead child for not HTFU is the very definition of sociopathic. Alex is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer. Perhaps that's why some people say he's a former lawyer. *shrugs* I don't really know either way and I don't really care what he does for a living. I do know he's an adult that for what ever reason, perhaps a lack of self-esteem, is pandering to the worst adolescent behavior. Even sadder is CCP's complicity in this....supposedly a group of adults and professionals.


nothing in that interview even hints at bullying so get over it


Except the part outlining how he's going to present, in front of thousands of people at fanfest, people for whom Mitanni wants to commit suicide.

From your reply I've never seen a more clear cut case of selective perception.

Don't ban me, bro!
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1295 - 2012-04-02 16:31:10 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. Alex on the other hand is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer.


Pardom me if I refrain from speculation. The only thing that is important is the facts of this case.
And so far you have proven no actual correlation between what was said on beers with bolton and what was said at the alliance panel. Besides that he intended to ridicle the antics of miners and titan pilots.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1296 - 2012-04-02 16:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Azran Zala wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:

But not the intellect to understand this is exactly what happens in cases of bullying right up until it goes too far. Go read about bullying, cases that have seen the light of day and you'll see parents and friends stating exactly what you have, "They were joking., "They didn't mean it", "They're good kids". And yet a child was driven to the point of suicide. Alex on the other hand is an adult, a lawyer, and should already be aware of this. I can only conclude that he's a poor adult and a horrible lawyer.


Pardom me if I refrain from speculation. The only thing that is important is the facts of this case.
And so far you have proven no actual correlation between what was said on beers with bolton and what was said at the alliance panel. Besides that he intended to ridicle the antics of miners and titan pilots.


And the person that he specifically named was a miner. Got me again. Absolutely no correlation what-so-ever. The logic is strong in you!

Don't ban me, bro!
Lanasak
Doomheim
#1297 - 2012-04-02 16:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lanasak
Mr Kidd wrote:
Except the part outlining how he's going to present, in front of thousands of people at fanfest, people for whom Mitanni wants to commit suicide.

From your reply I've never seen a more clear cut case of selective perception.


it's like you're deliberately ignoring the fact that he did not talk about singling a vulnerable player out

you're the clear-cut case of selective perception, you want to conclude that it was premeditated

so again, what he did at fanfest has nothing to do with what he said in the interview
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1298 - 2012-04-02 16:34:47 UTC
Lanasak wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Except the part outlining how he's going to present, in front of thousands of people at fanfest, people for whom Mitanni wants to commit suicide.

From your reply I've never seen a more clear cut case of selective perception.


it's like you're deliberately ignoring the fact that he did not talk about singling a vulnerable player out

you're the clear-cut case of selective perception, you want to conclude that it was premeditated

so again, what he did at fanfest has nothing to do with what he said in the interview


I'm sorry, did you miss the part where he DID single out a specific player to the point of spelling his name for the benefit of drunken crowd members?

Don't ban me, bro!
Kara Roideater
#1299 - 2012-04-02 16:35:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Roideater
Lanasak wrote:
There is a huge difference between what he said in that video and what he said at Fanfest. To use that recording as any evidence of the Fanfest debacle being "premeditated" is simple posturing. Get over it.


You're right. In that video he only says he intends to tell people to commit suicide by himself, whereas at fanfest he ended up encouraging others to contribute towards that end. Now, it's true that that is a significant difference. But the Mittani's 'apology' kind of implied that he was sorry about the whole suicide thing and shocked and ashamed that he might have done anything to encourage someone suicidal to go down that road. It certainly didn't state that encouraging people to kill themselves was just business as usual and that he only overstepped the mark by encouraging others to join in.

In any case, if you want people to approach such data rationally and in a reasonable way, you might want to lead by example. The continuous goon efforts at deflection and justification are what has kept this a live issue for so long.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#1300 - 2012-04-02 16:35:37 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
I'm sorry, did you miss the part where he DID single out a specific player to the point of spelling his name for the benefit of drunken associates?


in the interview? or at fanfest?

we're talking about two separate events here bro keep up