EVE General Discussion

I actually intended to try to flame a bit, but it's sooo not me hahahaha.

No, i do not hate goons or PL, or any of those mega alliances/corps. Or else, i hate them all.

The RMT and some other problems of that nature. Would it only be one single player with 6 bots mining in an high sec island between low sec systems only, I saw one of those yesterday. Affect the game directly. And i really find it weird that the RMT is not randomly distributed, like it's all bunched up within a few groups, one being targeted by the mob.

So, again, How come the result of the bans are not random all across Eve population ?
Or, is it that scrub#42 does not register a bleep on any radar ?

CCP did say that they cannot say anything about evidence or how it is found out. Only that only a few were proven erroneous. Most likely it is a matter of papertrail Not every botter is a RMT. Alot bot to earn extra income to feed to a pvp character or pay for alliance goods. Like any investigation, it takes time to follow the clues. The most major ones would be the easiest to find and prove. Quite possibly PL might be the first ones because they are/were the most seriously active group in eve right now involved in rmt. Smaller source tradings will take longer and be harder to prove or follow. I am sure we will see them or if they have happened, somebody hit for -500m probably isn't going to say anything.

I have between 10 and 16 active characters on 6 to 8 accts at any one time. It's been like this for years.

I have been moving billions per week between characters for just as long and not once has CCP stepped in and banned any of these accts.

I believe that any accts they are banning now are suffering with good reason. I'd be extremely confident in saying that CCP has less than a 5% error rate from what I've seen over the years. Sure it's going to happen that someone gets dinged that doesn't deserve it, but I think CCP does a pretty good job of getting it sorted based on what I've seen posted in the forums for the last 6 years or so.

Mr Epeen

Kinda dumb aren't you.

Try to figure out where you are totally out in left field with that statement. Here's a hint. It's not 5% of the entire player base. Unless you feel that is how many RMT.

Mr Epeen

5% of the accounts nailed for RMT or botting, not the whole population, and I'd say it's pretty certain the number is far below that.

I wouldn't worry about who has and who has not been nailed yet, I'm sure there are many more to come in the near future.

I also wouldn't worry about false positives, they've had one (possibly two) people dinged because of a glitch since this started a couple of years ago... unless you are involved in RMT of course.

Then you should worry... alot.

Really? And what is that big bad meanie CCP gonna do? They already ban people for no reason, so I might as well give them one.

O and if it gets me to a quicker solution with my bank, charging back these fraudulent bastards after their bullshit will not only be justified, but feel good.

For a company that pays its bills based on subscriptions, there is a *really* strong incentive not to chase away innocent subscribers [Hint: it has to do with the subscriptions]

One of the reasons botting is the problem that it is is that its much better for them to err on the side of false negatives than false positives. I'd guess that the True Innocents who were banned and not able to successfully argue for their right to continue to give CCP money numbers in the handful.

Yes, that does seem to make sense, actually. Unless you're like certain alliances who had tech and RMTed the isk from selling plex.

That said, 15T isk would buy you enough titans to give everyone two reships or something, it's a little insane.

What were Riverini's leaked intel numbers on the number of Titans PL has/had?

I love all the cries of ship reimbursement or alliance level wallets being exempt from taint because they are dealing with large volumes of people. Simple fact is that is the most probable shell for attempting to launder dirty isk or hide transactions. If CCP were going to drop nukes like this they have more than likely done their homework and followed the dirty money.

Good riddance to all the scum and keep up the good work CCP, here's one person who isn't surprised that a institution that caters to carebears who want zero risk also caters to individuals who aren't interested in the games integrity.

I hope Sreegs will correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that:

(a) this only applies to botting, not to RMT (context of the FF presentation)
(b) this only applies to his automated detection methods, not to "bots" caught because of petitions (otherwise Sreegs would be lying)