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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Vatek
Rents Due Crew
#461 - 2012-03-28 23:58:26 UTC
Schettino wrote:
All those crying about the 10k vote loss.

The player has been banned and is out of the game -> LOSS OF REPRESENTATION.

PERIOD


Blame the player himself and NOT CCP.


Sorry, no. There needs to be a system in place so that people who voted for candidates who either resign or are removed are still represented. Mittani's actions do not speak for the 10,058 people that voted for him.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#462 - 2012-03-28 23:58:39 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.



As another European I can freely call you fascist dog. Europe has benefits but fascist **** laws for censorship of speech are not it. At the same time as you have to ***** foot around serious issues we all get butt raped by our dear politicians but hey they are at least preventing us to say thing they don't like. This is one thing where europe should take after US instead of introducing just more and more idiotic censorship laws.


clearly I disagree with you, so does the law fortunatly, did you think the muamba sentence was unfair then?



OFC it was. Who cares what some dude writes? Far better to allow saying few things that might make someone upset than to start banning anything that might make someone upset. For anything you say there will be someone who will give you **** for it.

UK especially is ******** to hell and back with it's laws about speech. Even more than germany and france who are both already bad enough with the laws controlling what people can say about ww2.

It never ends. Just more and more things get censored until you will not be allowed to open your mouth for the fright of breaking some idiotic law.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#463 - 2012-03-28 23:58:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
You can't? Two Step is TEST seems normal to me.


You misspelled AHARM.

in-game



Yeah, I realised and altered it to ...
Saiphas Cain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#464 - 2012-03-28 23:58:44 UTC
Lets think realistically for a moment and not mince threats and rage.

What is a likely outcome of this?

Considering that most large scale goon actions are aimed at ISKmaking, and the remaining are aimed at giving a writhing colony of army ants something to do so that they do not begin eating each other; what do you suppose will happen when the main coordinator of that swarm cannot distract himself by shooting things in an internet spaceship?

Does anyone really think Patton would have made a more effective tank commander than General?

There is a big difference between goons and friends doing things out of economic interest, and doing things out of spite.

I wonder how many concord ships it would take to tidi the entire cluster into oblivion? At the very least CCP would have to change some code or start issuing rapidfire bans very quickly. When one shoots "innocents" in highsec concord shows up and they stay there awhile. There are many places to do this. Would such a campaign amount to ingame terrorism? Possibly. Think of the TEST Jita tidi recently. Now apply that to every solar system. Goons used to specialize in Rifter-terrorism. Are those days really so far gone?




Who amongst you doesn't think that ten thousand people are thinking of things far more hideous and irritating than that right now.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#465 - 2012-03-28 23:58:45 UTC
now we can focus on real game aspects, like faction warfare

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#466 - 2012-03-28 23:58:53 UTC
sakurako wrote:
ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here


bolded for emphasis

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Oliver Duncan
B0rthole
#467 - 2012-03-28 23:58:56 UTC
Riverini for CSM chairmen. I'm starting a petition to get all 10k of Mittani's votes transferred to Riverini.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#468 - 2012-03-28 23:59:04 UTC
sakurako wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.


ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here


We do not want a rerun, we want the person we rightfully elected to CSM to actually be on the CSM.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#469 - 2012-03-28 23:59:20 UTC
Selyna Ferenzcy wrote:
Your idle/pathetic threats are laughable and a waste of the arm strength it took to type them.

Here, here Xorv

SO wait I've been reading hundreds of pages of your utter BS and pressuring CCP and that was all " idle/pathetic threats" that were " laughable and a waste of the arm strength it took to type them"
Man I've wasted so much time, I think I'll kill myself...so very sad.... =(
Sam McCausland
Pax Mortis Inc.
#470 - 2012-03-28 23:59:36 UTC
Let's be rational here, you all knew this was going to happen, Mittens dug his own grave with his abhorrent display at the panel and subsequent "deal with it" comments. If you seriously believe CCP had another choice in this matter after the PR shitstorm he caused, you're pretty naive.

I'm almost pissing myself reading through all the "I WILL UNSUB" rage. In reality, we all know you will all stay and STFU after a few days and continue being meaningless drones for your dear leader...

After the dust settles, the majority of EVE will realize that today was a good day for EVE.
Mortuus Adamo
Wipe Corp.
#471 - 2012-03-28 23:59:49 UTC
95% of ppl crying are from the Deklein Co. No more making the game go your way like the old NC. I guess thats dramatic for you and better for everyone else. So much drama.

CSM should be disolved, and CCP should open an open devblog to post feedback. That way they won't only be taking into account the CSM opinions. Everyone hates politicians except those who get power from them. Everyone is mad by those things.

If CCP wants to take some ppl opinions into account they should ask them directly like in most games and thats it. Not so much stupidity with a council that no one is OK with except the ones that win.

Just to say, i never had any problem with Dek Co. But i guess your "game trolling" is kinda getting over the line.
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2012-03-28 23:59:55 UTC
Vatek wrote:
Schettino wrote:
All those crying about the 10k vote loss.

The player has been banned and is out of the game -> LOSS OF REPRESENTATION.

PERIOD


Blame the player himself and NOT CCP.


Sorry, no. There needs to be a system in place so that people who voted for candidates who either resign or are removed are still represented. Mittani's actions do not speak for the 10,058 people that voted for him.

isuggest Remedial (sp)

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
OninoTimmo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#473 - 2012-03-29 00:00:03 UTC
I'm conflicted. On one hand I think this is unfair and overboard and Mittani deserves to be on the CSM. On the other hand, goon tears taste so good.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#474 - 2012-03-29 00:00:13 UTC
Heath Ornitz wrote:
~ 10,058 ~

lol, out the door, and by his own doin.
go complain to mitardi.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#475 - 2012-03-29 00:01:01 UTC
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.



You voted for a guy who couldn't hold his drink and used the CSM chair position and privileged position on the alliance panel to call for a fellow eve player to be trolled into suicide.

I'm sorry you wasted your vote but next time choose a better candidate.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
#476 - 2012-03-29 00:01:20 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


In effect the meta-gamers will have been out meta-gamed by those who have exploited the unfortunate event in in Iceland.


That's exactly what it is.

This chapter is kind of ironic...

Goons got a taste of their own forum spam tasting medicine...

and CCP got to finally retaliate against someone who has been so brutal and effective at pointing out their flaws in the past.

Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#477 - 2012-03-29 00:02:48 UTC
Jim Luc wrote:
If he stepped down as CHAIR only, why did this devblog state that he was stepping down from CSM6 and subsequently CSM7? Did I read the blog correctly, or am I mistaken somehow? If so then I think quite a few others are also mistaken here lol Ugh

You read it correctly, CCP is just being CCP.
Simone Bataille
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#478 - 2012-03-29 00:02:55 UTC
Way to communicate with your CSM. They have a long discussion and announce a course of action with Mittens standing down as chair but continuing as a CSM member, and two hours later you release this statement.

Wasn't that the whole point of the CSM, working with player representatives prior to unilateral decisions like this?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#479 - 2012-03-29 00:03:03 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.



You voted for a guy who couldn't hold his drink and used the CSM chair position and privileged position on the alliance panel to call for a fellow eve player to be trolled into suicide.

I'm sorry you wasted your vote but next time choose a better candidate.


I'm sorry about how wrong you are.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#480 - 2012-03-29 00:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
sakurako wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.


ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here



Previous CSMs have been kicked out of the CSM while still technically in office for breaking CSM rules and there is no precedent of a re-run. Just as previous CSMs have gone afk during the process also wasting the votes entrusted to their run.

Sorry to be blunt but next time entrust your votes to a more stable candidate who knows how to behave in front of the cameras.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom