EVE General Discussion

I only found out about this situation this morning while getting caught up on Twitter and the Forums.

For what it's worth to you, Alex, I have a few words.

Roc cannot stand The Mittani. I understand roleplay. I appreciate developing a persona.

Having had some time with Alex, not The Mittani, I can also attest to the fact that you are actually a decent person. It was a pleasant surprise. Intelligent, witty, a good sense of humour, sincere, personable, all qualities that speak to your real life character.

There's no need for me to tell you that the line was crossed. The very nature of your apology makes it clear you are self-aware and repentent.

However, I truly believe a man is only as good as his actions. Words are not enough.

The latest words I have heard is that you will be stepping down as CSM Chairman, and making personal restitution to the harassed player. Admirable words.

Should you choose to step down, I do believe that would be a loss to the CSM, and to the community. Before Fanfest, I would not have thought that.

I do believe stepping down is the right and moral choice. I'm not anti-goon.

I'm sure you've had many offline offers should you desire to communicate further with a peer. Consider this mine.

You are not in an enviable position. I hope you do what is right for the harassed player, for you, and for our community.

More than lip service, my friend.

They have freedom of speech laws in Iceland that let you say what ever you want? Freedom of speech needs boundaries most of the world have them.

That's true, and there are those that would see their agenda through at the expense of the game - and thanks to your fearless leader they now have a mechanism to do so.

He didn't use his position either.

It was the alliance panel.

The CSM panel he handled himself well.

I dont care about his resignation im talking about the stuff in eve that can be seen as cyber bullying as a whole this just brought it up.
Remember if Sony even feels like it they can kill dust 514 and demand all the development money they invested back from CCP.
Even if this is small they can see not acting against this as not giving a damn about cyber bullying and kill dust 514.
Im just saying.You look like the smartest goon around so just think about it if this debacle even slightly offends Sony Dust 514 is ******.

Yes they are distinct in EU law. the racial harrassment part of ythe charge was due to the use of the N word. The breach of the communications act charge was the use of the internet to do so.

As for me being a wannabe lawyer no Im not but in my proffessional life I do have to deal with the impact of cyberbullying and yes I have had to deal with the fallout of suicide caused by bullying. I dont guve a damn about him being a goon, I give a damn about somthing that is utterly reprehensible.

Well here's the thing: ISK from the wallet, whatever tbh, its small change, I've got more than that in my random faction ship fetish pot. Whether the apology is *enough* will depend on what people personally feel about it. For me it was "enough" as long as he carried through the rest of his twitter pledge and immediately resigned. It stops being "enough" if he goes back on that pledge and tries to cling to power regardless of the stink this will attract to the game as a whole.



Well you are in cloud-cuckoo land to a degree if you think something like this was not always going to blow up. Fanfest had journalists from dozens of online magazines and a technology editor from the BBC present. Those people have a job that involves looking over the video presentations and giving comment. As journalists its their role to seek interesting stories. The fall of an internet spaceship politcian is an interesting story. Combine that with the hot-button issues of cyberbullying, twitter prosecutions, the "fight game" sexism row and you'll see we are in a climate where it was inevitable that Alexander Gianturco was going to make the newsheets. Eve as a game is going big-league, the CCP + SONY partnership and aiming at the world's biggest single universe is going to put it in the spotlight - and you literally can't have some drunken fratboy trust fund princess up on staging calling on people to be harrassed into suicide and that NOT be the story.



People understand the issues. Anyone with a child themselves can see issues with cyberbullying and peer pressure harrassment through email, i-phones, social media and such. And regarding this game - I don't think its a question of whether somebody playing eve will commit suicide - but when it happens. In my nine years playing this game I've met many fellow players with emotional issues, depressions, rl issues from post traumatic stress disorder to marital breakups to terminal disease to the whole spectrum of mental problems. Part of being a good CEO in this game is sometimes being a counciller to people having a pretty hard time in real life. This is more than a bandwagon, its possibly the reawakening of a bit of common sense and feeling that the leader of the player council needs some common sense too.



If he gets any kind of ban then he's disbarred from the CSM. Thats one of the rules of running for CSM. If CCP temp banned him 30days for this then he's also out of the CSM for good. But if they give him no kind of punishment whatsoever then anyone who has previously been temp-banned for this kind of harrassment (and there are many) would rightfully point and claim CCP corruption in favour of their CSM chair. Its a horrible situation that CCP have been put in - if they temp ban and kick Mittani off the csm the goons will go nuts and claim they just had 10,000 votes disenfranchised. If they do nothing then everyone else will believe that Goons run CCP by developer corruption and those dodgy contacts Mittani was always boasting of in his addresses.

The sensible solution and decent one is for Alexander Gianturco to simply come out now and resign. And I still hope he does this rather than continuing to drag all our reputations through the mud while doing immense damage to CCP's visibility in the gaming (and soon to be) mainstream media.

Why don't you first settle on a single version and then we'll talk?

Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else?

You seem to be making both claims, as evident from you first saying "someone being harassed" and then saying "incite other to harass somebody".

Its a little insulting to the intelligence of both CCP and Sony to suggest that they don't both already know what kind of game Eve is. Entering into a business agreement with a company where you have to hope they don't do any research into your primary product is a terrible idea.