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Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#641 - 2012-03-13 20:21:12 UTC
Lelob wrote:
CynoNet Two wrote:
Lelob wrote:

Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.


Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this.

I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed.


Throwing a bunch of subcaps at titans and expecting to win is not even close to being a serious attempt. Fielding a fleet of 200 dreads with carrier and super support would be a serious attempt, and is well within the capabilities of the CFC. I understand well enough why CCP thinks titans must be nerfed, but it is not because of any game-breaking aspects of the titan itself, but of the unwillingness of both actors to engage in a potentially costly capital fight when the results remain uncertain. As I said before, nobody will really know for certain if titans truly are imbalanced until a serious, concerted effort has been made to kill them.


Hahahaha.

So, what you are saying is that one side has to throw 200 years of skill training onto 50 years of skill training in order to be competitive?

You also realize that if anyone would organize anything like 200 dreads, other side would never show up?

******** theory crafting.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#642 - 2012-03-13 20:21:36 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
CynoNet Two wrote:
Lelob wrote:

Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.


Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this.

I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed.


Please don't try to point out their cognitive dissonance to them, they are unable to comprehend it. Its cruel of you to do this.


The killmails mean nothing. A haloed linked interceptor can be hit by titans. You have to actually be moving with some angular velocity for to mitigate damage.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#643 - 2012-03-13 20:21:37 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain


I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war.

If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.

like when bob v1 suddenly lost its invulnerable posbowling titans and got crushed

maybe if you stopped basing your alliance around broken mechanics in obvious need of a nerf this wouldn't keep happening to you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#644 - 2012-03-13 20:21:51 UTC
Sapegu wrote:
So,

How can a small alliance overpower a bigger alliance?
If Biggest guns are nerfed...
1000 men Alliance cannot overpower 7000 men alliance... never!!

This game is not evoluting but being nerfed for goons pleasures...

Goons... you have the path clear to conquer EVE SOV...

CCP... WAKE UP!!!


CCP wants 1000 subscriptions, not 7000

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#645 - 2012-03-13 20:22:30 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?


I doubt you'll have any problems locking carriers in triage and DDing them?

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#646 - 2012-03-13 20:22:38 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain


I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war.

If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.


So, what you are saying is - there is nothing wrong with Titans?

Right?
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#647 - 2012-03-13 20:22:43 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.


We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails.


You don't have support fleets you have fleets, nothing to support cause then our Titans wouldn't be shooting at the support. Would be killing other caps.....


That would be the ideal sure, if only it were reality.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#648 - 2012-03-13 20:23:06 UTC
Oh wait it will be come April, ahaha.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Organa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#649 - 2012-03-13 20:23:07 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.



wrong
the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it)
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#650 - 2012-03-13 20:23:44 UTC
just for the record The Ankou was never in bob, we have been in razor thou in an early incarnation
Skrypt
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#651 - 2012-03-13 20:24:24 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain


I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war.

If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.

like when bob v1 suddenly lost its invulnerable posbowling titans and got crushed

maybe if you stopped basing your alliance around broken mechanics in obvious need of a nerf this wouldn't keep happening to you

Yeah, I agree. Anything that isn't a cookie-cutter fleet composition relying heavily on sheer numbers is terrible.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#652 - 2012-03-13 20:24:38 UTC
Organa wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.



wrong
the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it)


Deaggress and dock? Why is your capital humping a station instead of attacking/defending a TCU or SBU or sitting in a POS? If you mean in lowsec, he he heheh ahah hahahahaha.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Jin Nongmin
EveCorporation17070013234
#653 - 2012-03-13 20:24:53 UTC
prease to be rethink cccp! This terribre nerf!

before nef many chinese chirdren make mine 4 titan

buy many sack for rice


after nerf no mine 4 titan

sad orphan starve

preaes to not nerf titan chinese chirdren need eat 4 rice


prease to be buy titan 4 rice still after not nerf
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#654 - 2012-03-13 20:25:19 UTC
Kazanir wrote:
I think you would be surprised how many people on the "anti-supercap" side, including in Goonswarm, actually agree with this. Lots of "us" would love to see supercarriers and titans have well-defined and useful roles on the battlefield. It just can't be a role where the number of supercapitals you have ends up defining who wins the war every single time -- and so far, that has been the case ever since Dominion launched.


Right, but having the most sub caps is somehow a better way.


Right now both ways work, CCP are effectively removing any strategy that doesn't involve more numbers.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
warp to station
Doomheim
#655 - 2012-03-13 20:25:52 UTC
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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#656 - 2012-03-13 20:25:58 UTC
Crakachunky wrote:
okay so now fleet fights will work like this:

600 dudes meet 600 dudes, one side starts loosing and brings in carriers for reps, other side deploys dreads and carriers, other side now brings in supers to kill the caps, other side brings in supers and titans, everyone dies untill theres 1 dude in a rifter left

how fights work currently:

600 dudes meets 600 dues, one side brings in titans and wins


after this change escalation mechanics will actually work (titans are meant to be giant support ships and a last card play)


What game do you play? No one would every deploy dreads when theres 600 enemy support on the field and they certainly would not do it to kill triage carriers. Triage carriers get alpha'd in that fight. Whoever brings them is basically suiciding carriers (which is fine but it's not an effective use of a carrier).

Also in all my time playing EVE I've never seen a 'fair fight'. 600 vs 600 is mythical, someone will have 800 the other 400. If even numbers do occur, one of them will stand down because "it's just not worth it, we might lose".

EVE has always been about making the other guy commit thinking he will win.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Colonel O'Neill of STARGATE SG-1 knows more about PvP than me.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#657 - 2012-03-13 20:26:01 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
just for the record The Ankou was never in bob, we have been in razor thou in an early incarnation


This won't put you in higher standing when we finish with your alliance; in April, heheh

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#658 - 2012-03-13 20:26:53 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?

its cute you think you're getting enough cormack's at any price

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Valearx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#659 - 2012-03-13 20:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Valearx
Never before have squeals of indignation been so so so good...

edit: ************ missed the snipe
Organa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#660 - 2012-03-13 20:28:31 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Organa wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.



wrong
the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it)


Deaggress and dock? Why is your capital humping a station instead of attacking/defending a TCU or SBU or sitting in a POS? If you mean in lowsec, he he heheh ahah hahahahaha.




you mean like reaping there station that just came out of rf or there services