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So my very first toon was minmatar. I started training minmatar because that's what I was and I did not know any better. I don't PvP and I don't like PvP. When I first found out that Minmatar ships were supposed to be ideal for PvP I was pissed. Very shortly after that I realized that this is not WoW and I could cross train so I did. I trained up the Drake and if served me well, I was able to run level 4's in it.

After my skills got better I realized that all the training in the world was not going to do anything to improve the DPS of the drake or reduce the 4 hours it took me to run some missions.

So then I flew the Raven but was still a little unhappy with the DPS. Every one told me that Marauders were the ultimate mission runners so I looked into them and what I found was disappointing. I saw 4 ships from 4 different races and all 4 had rep amount bonuses. No caldari / amarr resist bonus? No Galenete drone boat? All 4 ships have very similar stats and there really is not much of style difference on how you fight or run missions in them. Yes I trained the Vargur due to the falloff and tracking bonus but I know plenty of people that are just as happy in the Kronos or Paladin and you see Golems at every mission hub.

I honestly don't have an issue with Minmatar ships being the best at PvP and I am a hard core mission runner. If the minmatar ships are the best then train them. You can be in a rifter in a matter of days. But the fact is that all kinds of ships are flown in PvP and all kinds win. Pirate faction ships are clearly better than empire faction ships but you still see people fly the empire race's ships in PvP. This is not WoW. You are not locked into a race or a class. If Minmatar ships are better in PvP then cross train them. That's the beauty of this game.

Currently I can fly all the (sub capital) tech 1 ships with max skill, minus Gal battle ship, which is at level 4. I can fly most tech 2 ships with max skill. I have all the tech 2 weapons systems maxed or near maxed for these ships. I can fly just about whatever I want whenever I want. Took me a while to get here.

I understand that you want to balance and move forward with the game and improve the ships. Getting rid of tiers is awesome, been saying it for years. BUT I'd rather not have to train more skills to do what I can do right now. Been plenty of that all ready. Keep that in mind when you go about adding, splitting, and refunding skills and skill points.

COME ON PEOPLE! READ THE POSTS!




If you can actually read and comprehend what you read, these already say (and have been restated several times) "What you can fly today, you will be able to fly tomorrow." And for the love of all that is good and holy, this was the FIRST POST.

Fly Safe!

tournaments are not the same as small scale pvp, which is not the same as massive fleet battles.

Matar are good because in massive battles, speed is important, to GTFO and catch targets, if your a massive fleet outnumbering a foe your biggest issue is catching things. Better active tanking for 1/1 will be worthless with a alpha fleet. and arts got alpha.

Align time, catching, and escaping are things you never use in a tournament, nor are having so many ships fit for alpha that you can primary a target in one volley.

drake is also a winship, it helps to have the two most perfect bonuses and being able to fit as many large sheild extenders as possiable to give it a tank of a bs, try fitting a armor BC with all 1600 plates. Gallente have BC failships because of a active repair bonus that is useless as... something very useless. And ammar, if they traded the bonuses of the propocy and harbringer bonueses you would have a ammar drake equivalent.

While you guys are addressing this issue, i'd also like to highlight one particular category of pirate faction ships that's noteably missing from current availability: Caldari/Minmatar.

I find it insulting that there are two pirate faction available for Gallente/Minmater, for every ship class category:
Frigates: Daredevil, Dramiel
Cruisers: Cynabal, Vigilant
Battleships: Machariel, Vindicator

.....but none for the Caldari/Minmatar version?
Don't pilots also deserve the ability to harness skills acquired from both these racials and be able to fly ship/s that reflect this calling?
Mayhap, it's got something to do with Eve-fiction? Can't you introduce a new pirate faction that provides this service?

While we're on the same line of thought, and in par with your new ship-skill restructuring....how about introducing MOAR pirate ships, namely, destroyer and battlecruiser class versions?

But wait, there's more!
Following -that- line of thought......
PIRATE FACTION CAP SHIPS! wru?

Hate me all you want, if there's one cross-training that's too over powered in this game, it's Gallente/Minmatar.
FIX THIS PLEASE.

Thank you.

I think this makes perfect sense, and is most likely the best solution.

Also: The Rokh is not the teir 3 BC... I find it funny that CCP of all people made that mistake

Incorrect.

Because all PvP in EVE goes by AT rules, right?

A good AT team composition is just that, an AT composition. Such a gang would get absolutely destroyed in any other TQ PvP situation. Stick to missions, thanks!

The change to skills is poorly thought out. If it ends up as a giveaway to vets, I disapprove. If it ends up as a pointless new timesink, I disapprove. If it does neither of these things, then it isn't really much of a change and you shouldn't bother with it. It's particularly unfair to those who aren't on their per/wil remap because they've trained all the pertinent skills (at least for the stuff they fly) to V and now you're introducing new essential per/wil skills.

For the rest, it's nice to see you focusing on existing ships and not introducing new ones.

Pretty sure that's not the kind of "role" the term is referring to, bro.