Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes we got a few (some major and awesome) graphical upgrades over the past year

Yes many new features, concepts, content, items, ships, whatever, etc.... have been added (some cool)

Sure CCP has done a decent job supporting the game that EVE has been this whole time (arguably in some cases)

but..

if EVE began in 2003 (and must have been in development at least a year before that), this game is 10 years old

in all those 10 years, never once has the actual game been re-designed, changed, or even updated.

in 10 years EVE is still the same spin around a ship with (meh) halfway decent looking space backgrounds... that are not even "interact-able"

e.g. I was just playing and looking at the beautiful new planets that they gave us a few expansions back, and think about it... it's 2012 and to look at a planet you go into "planet mode", which is a completely separate little applet from your normal HUD/view, and it creates the planet in an isolated environment with NO sun, NO other planets, NO ships... you get my point, right?

not yet?... EVE boasts about being this "large scale" MMO with a giant universe, but for 10 years it has really been a disappointingly small scale, and I'm the only one who seems to care

EVE takes place, pretty much, solely in a few 400km cubes, around stations, gates, one tiny spot on one side of a planet, etc..

Stations (actually every object in EVE) are copy-pasted throughout the whole galaxy, and there's no discernable visual difference between highsec, lowsec, nullsec, or anything at all really.

I've said this for years to people who see me playing EVE and ask what the hell is that..

-that nothing (visually) on the screen matters, it's all about numbers, stats, ranges, items in the boxes... NOTHING in the space that you can see means anything to the gameplay

i.e. that cool glowing light-ball with antennae and metal gadgets coming out of it... that doesn't mean SH*T. it's not doing anything, there's no reason or explanation for why its there, what it's connected to.... its just the random object CCP decided to name "Serpentis Data Terminal" and make the objective of your mission, to either destroy, or collect the unrelated items inside it


Our ships are RIDICULOUSLY slow. think about it, it takes an EVE ship hours (without warp drives) to fly from one side of a planet to the other, or from a planet to its moon (not that anyone ever does, or that there's ever anything on the other side of any planet) Everything is "unreachablely" far away, and doesn't make you feel immersed in a real environment at all

now some of you are going to say "Omg ****** thats what warp drives are for" or "omg ****** thats what space would be like, mostly empty and boring, everything IS far away".... but that's what I'm saying needs changed

A change in the basic mechanics of EVE spaceflight, gameplay, etc...

I have tried to say this before, I think I posted about the complex changes that I imagine for EVE in the future, but this post is not about the specifics


This post is only an attempt to try and raise awareness, and begin a discussion about the future of EVE


Now everyone seems to flame harrrrd on any suggestions for major, drastic, gameplay changes that I have seen or posted myself. I understand..

CCP doesn't need to majorly change EVE because they're still growing, still getting new subscriptions with what they have, so why go above and beyond right?

most players don't need a major change because either this is all they know, and don't know or care enough to want it to be better, or they are rich/powerful in the game already, and frown on any changes to the game at all

but guys... don't you WANT it?

CCP don't you want to make the coolest, newest, most innovative and fun space game? Don't you want EVE to be amaaaazing? not just satisfactory?

Older players don't you guys want something new and different? don't you think EVE could be so much better?


** By 2012 shouldn't EVE be a seamless, large scale environment, with dynamic locations and real environments that you can interact with in intresting ways?

Like I said, this post doesn't have any suggestions or specific ideas yet, because first I need to convince you all that EVE is simply outdated and could be as epic as is pretends to be...

first i would like to say good post...seriously usually when i see that much writing i just hit the back button we all want the best of eve but its about how

i hope you have some good ideas to back what your saying

killor 07

I think they should continue working on fixing this game than making an entirely new one.

Plus if you have noticed MMOs don't really change at all. They are far to massive and time consuming to make a completely new game every year. That's why MMOs receive updates are certain intervals.

See what I mean?

The whole player base...


"mehh.... I dont think EVE needs to be any better its good enough mehhhhhh"

That attitude is what is keeping EVE from being awwwwesome. I personally want that to happen, nobody else seems to.

Also Fredfred, I do not expect a new version of EVE every year... HENCE the title of my post... TEN years

The fact that you personally hope to never see anything other than spin your ship around and look at nothing, is a testament to how "TERRIBLE" EVE and its playerbase currently is.

I'm apparently right about how NOBODY wants to see EVE evolved into the next generation of space games, so I like to think I'm right about EVE needing to evolve into the next generation.

Guys, its OLD. Super super old.

Old and basic

Ship spinning, everything copy and pasted, no scale or sense of location

HOW am I the only one who wants EVE to be good?

edit: also, I do not want to delete all the history or past of EVE, by EVE2, i mean a new game engine or major change to the current one.

You're not. Far from it

Why do you think CCP is making Dust and Incarna?

Though, what you fail to realise is that many, many people already think EVE is good.

Now to try and disect you titanic OP. So, in no particular order

The ships are slow for gameplay reasons, if everything moved 10,000km/s the game would be unplayable (impossible to be accurate in any way shape or form at such speeds)

I (and many others, devs included) agree that EVE needs to present information better, it should not be spreadsheets online. Though I believe that this is being worked on. And the other art/interface stuff you mentioned, well the game is already a 10Gb download, how much bigger to you want it to be? (and it makes sense for stations to follow templates, though a little extra 'randomness' would go a long way)

Also, you said EVE has never even been updated. I'd call Trinity a pretty major update, y'know the one where CCP completely redesigned the graphics engine.

EVE is awesome.

EVE is unique.

EVE is about space*. (i mean actual design)

CCP is doing there best to keep what have, in the first place, attract people to it, while trying to innovate. Not an easy task.

Yet even after 10 years, EVE is still at the top of its genre, in all aspect of a game.

*CCP have a bigger picture of what they want EVE to become, and overtime it will be a reality.

Maybe it's because you're the only one here who thinks it isn't.

EVE is good. Could it be made better? Sure. But why are we looking for a sequel? EVE is EVE, a sequel just doesn't even make sense.

You have to be trolling to say that all EVE is spinning ships and flying around looking at nothing. If that's all you're getting out of the game, it might explain why you're so upset.

Try joining a PVP corp or alliance. Highsec, nullsec, doesn't really matter where. Have big space battles. Have fun with friends.

eventually they will have to recode everything, but it won't be for a long time. slowly eve has gotten updated graphics and stuff, it sounds like you want a massive jump which i'm not for because it would cut off large chunks of the game population.

Obviously I am not "clueless" since I've been playing EVE since 2006, and I have enough of that "imagination" to have some future vision for this game.



No it doesn't necessarily make it bad, but EVE is indeed old and bad. When I say this, everyone seems to think I hate EVE and think everything about it is bad and I want a whole new game... I don't.

Same ships, same mods, same concept, same roles... new stats to match new engine capabilities.




You Sir are the clueless one, along with everyone else who has that exact same reaction.

"OH MY GOD... ships can't be any faster because the physics of the game dictates blah blah blah and then everything would be stupidly broken and impossible to hit/catch/see/anything...

Except OBVIOUSLY I am suggesting that the gameplay (namely the propulsion system) be completely changed.

I am not suggesting we keep the same ****** ship spinning engine where all action takes place in a 400km cube and make ships go hundreds of thousands of kM per second... I'm suggesting ships go hundreds of km per second in a redesigned world where that's what is meant to happen.



This is quite possibly the lamest excuse/defense for EVE's boring, mostly content-less universe that I have ever seen. If you can't play EVE and see that everything is copy and pasted and there's close to nothing to look at or interact with... and you think thats just fine, well sir don't tell ME to get an imagination.




Wow perfect. I refer YOU to myself who was just playing and doing some probe scanning yesterday. The solar system map is a boring and ugly piece of garbage. The background is not even black space with some little star dots, its an ugly solid blue/black with big fat lines of color hue, while the solar system map itself is broken and infuriating.

You'll be trying to select or move probes and planet/moon lists pop up and get in the way, basically everything on the map takes click priority OVER your probes forcing you to... (wow look at that) spin around restlesstly before every scan/placement so you can get the right angle to move your probe or see how it lines up. So forgive me if I don't "rejoice" that CCP gave us a new (and barely better) scanning system than the ancient probe gameplay we had before.


I'm gonna go ahead and dub this post clueless, as you obviously have no clue about fun or innovation or imagination.

One more vote for "I don't want EVE to get updated at all because 10 year old game mechanics are FUN" team