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Not sure if this has been brought up before in this thread (I'm at work and don't have time to read through it all)... but started to think about the item icons and the way T2/T3/Faction/Deadspace/Officer icons have their little badge in the top left corner...

Would it be possible without too much coding, to have a similar badge in any of the other corners, where the meta level of each item with a meta level greater then 0 (or in the range 1-4 atleast) to be listed?

That way it would be easy to see wich is what, without messing with the names.

Whats up with the selfishness and elitism here? Did i stumble into a WoW Forum?


If you do not want re-naming maybe this is for you:

Metalevel in the upper right corner of the Icon, opposite to the T2- ,Faction- ,DeD-Space- or Officermarker. This could of course just be implemented for Meta 0 to 4 asuming that you only want an easier start and people to later on study eve-online to keep playing. (yes sarcasm!)

Would look like this for an 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher" and
like this for an "Heavy Missile Launcher II".

You keep your cool names to brag around that you invest more time in a virtual game then in your life and new players have an easy way to distinguish modules.

Sorry, I am sure I am going to be one of the 'hated' minority but the current naming conventions were in my humble opinion, pretty lousy and illogical right from the moment I started playing. I still have not bothered to memorize names of modules. I look up the information and use the compare button all the time when outfitting new ships. Or something similar when using EFT.

From a programmers standpoint, the naming convention that exists needs to be taken out behind the barn, shot, bludgeoned, burned and stomped on for good measure.

From a 'neato' factor, some of these names really really really HAVE to stay. Target Painters aside, some of the names are really cool and deserve to remain in the Eve history. But some of the names are confusing for no good reason. Why do Shield hardeners say Photon Scattering Field and the Resistance Amplifiers say Magnetic for EM resistance? If you need a capacitor recharger and you search by the word capacitor, you will find capacitor flux coils in that search. If you search by recharger, you will miss the Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I. It really should be better.

Making things logical is NOT DUMBING things down. It makes it so people can think things through and more quickly understand the complexity of Eve. Complexity does not = hard to learn. That's just a simple fallacy. I think if you look at all the vets in here saying they got through the names, it seems that probably they had so much trouble learning this in the first place that they want everyone else to have the same problems they did. At least to me that is what it sounds like for many of the complaints (but not all). The flavour of this game can be retained, while still making it logical. Leaving it 'as is', really leaves this game in the whole 'developed in a garage by some guys drinking beer' sort of place. Colourful but not too professional.

Losing the many colourful names leaves this game in the WOW zone. Change can be good. Change many times IS good. The complexity won't be lost. Lets just make sure we keep the flavour too.

qft

"Complexity", in the context of Meta 1-4 items distinction, is nothing more than how information is sorted and stored in the human brain.
Is it needless? You seem to think it is judging from your post, I think not. Infact, I'm rather disappointed you think so for a veteran of so many years.

No matter how you approach it, putting a) prefix b) suffix c) completely changing the name to "make it less complex" end up butchering the item's identity.
It's these unique identities that have kept people playing EVE. It's the unique gameplay that have made EVE grow without any direct competition.
Carry on with the butchering, you'll be chipping away, little by little ... piece by piece .... of things that makes EVE such a memorable MMO.
You "think" you're seeing the forest, but you're actually looking at the "trees".

You base your changes on the premise that it's needless, from where did you get this feedback from?
I seem to remember Greyscale (initially) botching up the faction tower changes based on feedback from certain quarters.
This is a major gamble that you or CCP have yet to address the cost of the impact - when you get it wrong.
Doing nothing about it costs nothing - there are plenty of other ways go resolve this through the UI.

+++1
"And being forced to memorize a bunch of arbitrary meta-level word encodings is needless complexity"

And he talking about comlexity.
Who need memorize ??? Everyone need two click to see any item Variations and anyone can see the item names.
This is too hard for them ? But they need more simplified solutions.

They need new names:
Dumb
Dumber
Dumbest

Which in turn takes its name from Mjölnir, the hammer of Thor the Thundergod of Norse mythology. Seems relevant to me.

You keep repeating this strawman as if hoping that repetition will make it true. It is not needless complexity anymore than the different nomenclatures for Intel, AMD, or nVidia products that perform similar functions. Your failure to recognize this highlights your inability to think even a little outside your box.

There are many good suggestions in this thread and others for methods to allow for a streamlined and usable nomenclature while keeping (or even improving) the color and history of the world of EVE. Yet a CCP employe, ironically carrying the title of a "Senior Writer", just doesn't seem to get it and instead insists on towing the line of some clueless marketing postulate to try and make the game more approachable. All the while making the game more confusing and more generic instead.

Top 10 Reasons you shouldn't use Trauma :

Trauma is a type of Injury, not an "Effect". I TRAUMATIZE you, I don't "Trauma" you.

To complete the theme :

[list]

Thermal would be Burn Missiles

Explosive would be Chunky Salsa Missiles

EM would be Irradiated Missiles.

Kinetic is... Trauma (Blunt)

You see what I'm saying????

Trauma is not an effect, it's the cause of the effect. Although that "sounds" cool in a complicated nerdy way. It's not. I don't "Trauma" you to death. I beat the living **** out of you, then leave you in a state of trauma on the ground. Bludgeon Missiles would sound cooler than trauma.

Trauma also sounds like a psychological problem with your panties.

Ok did anyone bother to read ccp's reply a few pages ago.

The only thing getting new names is implants.


They are scrapping all other renaming plans until they get more player feed back. now rather than just whine and ***** why not suggest a good scheme that makes finding modules or finding meta levels easier, via market. We can still have complex names and retain immersion but be easy to understand.