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Oi, Oi, Oi - CONCORD Ships

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2017-06-15 11:59:53 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:


My personal understanding is that these ships were never intended to be "rare." I believe it was during the EvE Vegas closing ceremonies CCP said so. Check the 16:25 mark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=15m3s&v=FARkDDbSRFs


It was just that those who bought tickets are getting an early taste. They said they would give them out for other events and stuff. So yeah not intended to be rare.
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2017-06-15 12:05:20 UTC
https://fanfest.eveonline.com/news/2016/fanfest-2017-ships/
"In celebration of Fanfest 2017, we will be issuing a decommissioned CONCORD Pacifier class frigate with the sale of every Fanfest ticket."
Just leaving this here...
Keyword: "A decommissioned", "of every Fanfest Ticket"
This shows intent to only distribute one per fanfest ticket.
Salu Kelmalu
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2017-06-15 12:14:55 UTC
What are you doing, CCP?! I mean, really??

People who have been 'exploiting' mechanics with ghost training now get loads of free ships too - yay! The ships aren't even tied to omega status! Come on - this is stupid and ridiculous and people rightly should be pissed. There are going to be people who are sat at fanfest getting 1 of each whilst others have 100s on top of all the passive isk for the gamey BS they pulled with ghost training - how is this fair? (EVE is not fair blah blah)

I hate all the CCP bashing but this is completely stupid and the timing could not be worse. CCP please wake the **** up - people care about this game, they are invested in it - that is why they get angry. Every decision you are making is pissing more and more people off - especially as it seems that little thought to the wider impact is being put into any decision or at least, how decisions are being implemented. You have a great game here, a unique one - please, please take a step back and look at the damage certain decisions are having. Conflict drivers are needed, ghost training needs to be stopped dead, this BS should be reversed, some kind of change in citadel mechanics so they are not such a pain in the ass to get rid of - especially if systems have 10's and 10's of them etc. etc. Stop with the aesthetic crap and sort out problems that fundamentally impact conflicts, the economy (I dont mean manipulate it but stop nonsense like ghost training), balance and that make people actually want to log on.

Sometimes you make me feel sad CCP Sad
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#44 - 2017-06-15 12:21:20 UTC
Salu Kelmalu wrote:
What are you doing, CCP?! I mean, really??

People who have been 'exploiting' mechanics with ghost training now get loads of free ships too - yay! The ships aren't even tied to omega status! Come on - this is stupid and ridiculous and people rightly should be pissed. There are going to be people who are sat at fanfest getting 1 of each whilst others have 100s on top of all the passive isk for the gamey BS they pulled with ghost training - how is this fair? (EVE is not fair blah blah)

I hate all the CCP bashing but this is completely stupid and the timing could not be worse. CCP please wake the **** up - people care about this game, they are invested in it - that is why they get angry. Every decision you are making is pissing more and more people off - especially as it seems that little thought to the wider impact is being put into any decision or at least, how decisions are being implemented. You have a great game here, a unique one - please, please take a step back and look at the damage certain decisions are having. Conflict drivers are needed, ghost training needs to be stopped dead, this BS should be reversed, some kind of change in citadel mechanics so they are not such a pain in the ass to get rid of - especially if systems have 10's and 10's of them etc. etc. Stop with the aesthetic crap and sort out problems that fundamentally impact conflicts, the economy (I dont mean manipulate it but stop nonsense like ghost training), balance and that make people actually want to log on.

Sometimes you make me feel sad CCP Sad


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2017-06-15 12:23:59 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Salu Kelmalu wrote:
What are you doing, CCP?! I mean, really??

People who have been 'exploiting' mechanics with ghost training now get loads of free ships too - yay! The ships aren't even tied to omega status! Come on - this is stupid and ridiculous and people rightly should be pissed. There are going to be people who are sat at fanfest getting 1 of each whilst others have 100s on top of all the passive isk for the gamey BS they pulled with ghost training - how is this fair? (EVE is not fair blah blah)

I hate all the CCP bashing but this is completely stupid and the timing could not be worse. CCP please wake the **** up - people care about this game, they are invested in it - that is why they get angry. Every decision you are making is pissing more and more people off - especially as it seems that little thought to the wider impact is being put into any decision or at least, how decisions are being implemented. You have a great game here, a unique one - please, please take a step back and look at the damage certain decisions are having. Conflict drivers are needed, ghost training needs to be stopped dead, this BS should be reversed, some kind of change in citadel mechanics so they are not such a pain in the ass to get rid of - especially if systems have 10's and 10's of them etc. etc. Stop with the aesthetic crap and sort out problems that fundamentally impact conflicts, the economy (I dont mean manipulate it but stop nonsense like ghost training), balance and that make people actually want to log on.

Sometimes you make me feel sad CCP Sad


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?



How about just limit them to 1 of each ship per ticket purchased as originally advertised rather just giving people untold amount of isk?

I mean just look at jita and see how much the ships are trading for atm because they are supposedly rare due to supposedly limited availability
Kixx
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2017-06-15 12:25:10 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Salu Kelmalu wrote:
What are you doing, CCP?! I mean, really??

People who have been 'exploiting' mechanics with ghost training now get loads of free ships too - yay! The ships aren't even tied to omega status! Come on - this is stupid and ridiculous and people rightly should be pissed. There are going to be people who are sat at fanfest getting 1 of each whilst others have 100s on top of all the passive isk for the gamey BS they pulled with ghost training - how is this fair? (EVE is not fair blah blah)

I hate all the CCP bashing but this is completely stupid and the timing could not be worse. CCP please wake the **** up - people care about this game, they are invested in it - that is why they get angry. Every decision you are making is pissing more and more people off - especially as it seems that little thought to the wider impact is being put into any decision or at least, how decisions are being implemented. You have a great game here, a unique one - please, please take a step back and look at the damage certain decisions are having. Conflict drivers are needed, ghost training needs to be stopped dead, this BS should be reversed, some kind of change in citadel mechanics so they are not such a pain in the ass to get rid of - especially if systems have 10's and 10's of them etc. etc. Stop with the aesthetic crap and sort out problems that fundamentally impact conflicts, the economy (I dont mean manipulate it but stop nonsense like ghost training), balance and that make people actually want to log on.

Sometimes you make me feel sad CCP Sad


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


Immediate release of Concord ships in game by some easy obtainable means otherwise instead of addressing the problem you have decided to become an accomplice by ignoring it.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#47 - 2017-06-15 12:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Ergum Motsu wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?



How about just limit them to 1 of each ship per ticket purchased as originally advertised rather just giving people untold amount of isk?

I mean just look at jita and see how much the ships are trading for atm because they are supposedly rare due to supposedly limited availability



So remove all the ships and then reissue them? What about the ones already sold? Should CCP reverse all the sales? Also if you check the video I originally posted. They are not rare ships.

Kixx wrote:


Immediate release of Concord ships in game by some easy obtainable means otherwise instead of addressing the problem you have decided to become an accomplice by ignoring it.


You seem to have a misconception about my role. I am a player Volunteer whos job it is to moderate the forums and filter feedback to CCP. I am trying to get an understanding of what the issue is and what players would like to happen. So I am not sure where you are getting this "Accomplice by ignoring it" from.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Caldari Phantom
Intergalactic systems
#48 - 2017-06-15 12:29:06 UTC
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..

FIX IT
Numbers Inc
#49 - 2017-06-15 12:29:44 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:

So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


CCP could use the existing reward mechanism and hand out copies of them to every account in eve crashing the price to limit the damage (this can be done with a click of a button, you already got the ships and the gift mechanism)

Then give a different gift to each attendees, one per ticket.


Or you can watch as several dozen people become filthy rich. Wait i remember something like this from before, ahh yes, ccp has printed and handed out tech 2 bpos to their buddies. Has ccp checked who is going to benefit from this "intended" action and if they have connections to ccp employees?

Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#50 - 2017-06-15 12:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Cypherous wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P

Certainly working as implemented. Whether that was the original understanding and intent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6hdu1f/i_am_99_sure_it_is_meant_to_be_one_concord_ship/

Intentional, not equitable** and not necessarily the same as originally advertised.

** There is no requirement for things to be equitable between people that bought tickets. CCP can do what they like. At the same time, whether that is ok or not is up to everyone individually to decide. My feeling is the community on the whole will be pissed about this.



All offers are subject to change, its an added bonus, they gave out more ships than people were expecting, can't really complain about rewards being overfunded, the only issue is if there were people who did NOT get atleast 1 of the promised ships, as stated the article on the launcher clearly states its per account registered to the email that purchased the ticket, 1 package of ships per account, which is still in line, they never stated it would be one package for one account per purchase


This.

I didn't go to fanfest but I read the article on the launcher and I remember thinking "wow, some people have a lot of accounts, that's going to be a lot of ships, cool, maybe the price won't be so high". It looks like a great many people didn't read the same article I did.

These are not Alliance tournament ships are anything like that, they are meant to be played with and there is nothing wrong at all with CCP rewarding people for not only going to fanfest but also for supporting CCP with multiple subscriptions.

The EVE community has always been 'prickly' , but damn. People need to calm down with finding something to be mad at every 15 seconds, we're playing a video game, if you don't like what the developer is doing take a break or support some other game with your time and money.
Salu Kelmalu
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2017-06-15 12:32:49 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Salu Kelmalu wrote:
What are you doing, CCP?! I mean, really??

People who have been 'exploiting' mechanics with ghost training now get loads of free ships too - yay! The ships aren't even tied to omega status! Come on - this is stupid and ridiculous and people rightly should be pissed. There are going to be people who are sat at fanfest getting 1 of each whilst others have 100s on top of all the passive isk for the gamey BS they pulled with ghost training - how is this fair? (EVE is not fair blah blah)

I hate all the CCP bashing but this is completely stupid and the timing could not be worse. CCP please wake the **** up - people care about this game, they are invested in it - that is why they get angry. Every decision you are making is pissing more and more people off - especially as it seems that little thought to the wider impact is being put into any decision or at least, how decisions are being implemented. You have a great game here, a unique one - please, please take a step back and look at the damage certain decisions are having. Conflict drivers are needed, ghost training needs to be stopped dead, this BS should be reversed, some kind of change in citadel mechanics so they are not such a pain in the ass to get rid of - especially if systems have 10's and 10's of them etc. etc. Stop with the aesthetic crap and sort out problems that fundamentally impact conflicts, the economy (I dont mean manipulate it but stop nonsense like ghost training), balance and that make people actually want to log on.

Sometimes you make me feel sad CCP Sad


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


At the very, very least it should be tied to omega accounts but even then I don't know if it is a solution. I mean they could physically remove ships from those that received them but that causes another PR disaster. The ideal solution is for CCP to think a bit more before implementing something that will fundamentally **** people off. It should have been one of each ship per ticket.

I don't know what CCP can do now that the horse is bolted - I guess the point (there was one somewhere, ha!) was that a little thought to wider impacts when implementing decisions like this would avoid these situations. CCP must know how imbalanced the amount of ships different people will receive (for a variety of reasons - legit alts, ghost training etc.) and they must have known at this time that something like this would blow up in their face.

My ideal solution is that this impacts future decisions that CCP makes so that some of these PR disasters are avoided and the health of the game can be improved. Sorry if that was not the answer you were looking for.
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#52 - 2017-06-15 12:34:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The EVE community has always been 'prickly' , but damn. People need to calm down with finding something to be mad at every 15 seconds, we're playing a video game, if you don't like what the developer is doing take a break or support some other game with your time and money.


in the alternate reality where ghost training skill farms do not exist, no-one cares about this

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q

Sethyrh Nakrar
#53 - 2017-06-15 12:37:21 UTC
Quote:
The ships aren't even tied to omega status!

They are T2-Cruisers, tho. Good luck flying them as an Alpha....

Praise the Omnissiah!

Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#54 - 2017-06-15 12:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
FIX IT wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:

So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


CCP could use the existing reward mechanism and hand out copies of them to every account in eve crashing the price to limit the damage (this can be done with a click of a button, you already got the ships and the gift mechanism)

Then give a different gift to each attendees, one per ticket.


Or you can watch as several dozen people become filthy rich. Wait i remember something like this from before, ahh yes, ccp has printed and handed out tech 2 bpos to their buddies. Has ccp checked who is going to benefit from this "intended" action and if they have connections to ccp employees?



I found the underlying point of contention here. I guess this strikes against some people's idea of 'fairness'.

I don't think such ideas apply, CCP can do as they please with stuff they own, which is everything in EVE. And CCP clearly stated in the article that was on the launcher that the rewards would be per account. Like everything else in EVE, the people who paid attention (instead of just assuming it would be "per ticket") benefit from it.

Oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.
Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2017-06-15 12:39:29 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Ergum Motsu wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?



How about just limit them to 1 of each ship per ticket purchased as originally advertised rather just giving people untold amount of isk?

I mean just look at jita and see how much the ships are trading for atm because they are supposedly rare due to supposedly limited availability



So remove all the ships and then reissue them? What about the ones already sold? Should CCP reverse all the sales? Also if you check the video I originally posted. They are not rare ships.

Kixx wrote:


Immediate release of Concord ships in game by some easy obtainable means otherwise instead of addressing the problem you have decided to become an accomplice by ignoring it.


You seem to have a misconception about my role. I am a player Volunteer whos job it is to moderate the forums and filter feedback to CCP. I am trying to get an understanding of what the issue is and what players would like to happen. So I am not sure where you are getting this "Accomplice by ignoring it" from.


By initially limiting them to fanfest attendees, they are by definition rare as not all EvE players went to Fanfest, so that part of the argument is just quite frankly dumb. Once they are released to the whole player base, if they ever do (as it wouldnt be like CCP to ever go back on their word would it?), thats when they then dont become rare.

In how can ccp recify this, quite simply they cant, as the damage is already done. They may as well just now issue them to all accounts, and give fanfest attendess an alternative "thank you", why there should be in game rewards for out of game events is just beyond me and borders on RMT/Pay to Win.
Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2017-06-15 12:42:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:

So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


CCP could use the existing reward mechanism and hand out copies of them to every account in eve crashing the price to limit the damage (this can be done with a click of a button, you already got the ships and the gift mechanism)

Then give a different gift to each attendees, one per ticket.


Or you can watch as several dozen people become filthy rich. Wait i remember something like this from before, ahh yes, ccp has printed and handed out tech 2 bpos to their buddies. Has ccp checked who is going to benefit from this "intended" action and if they have connections to ccp employees?



I found the underlying point of contention here. I guess this strikes against some people's idea of 'fairness'.

I don't think such ideas apply, CCP can do as they please with stuff they own, which is everything in EVE. And CCP clearly stated in the article that was on the launcher that the rewards would be per account. Like everything else in EVE, the people who paid attention (instead of just assuming it would be "per ticket") benefit from it.

oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.


Which article stated it was one per account - if you mean the recent one then yes it does, however the article advertising tickets for sale in December stipulated "Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser." The reward was a thank you for attending FanFest, not by simply having more accounts than someone else
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#57 - 2017-06-15 12:45:46 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:


You seem to have a misconception about my role. I am a player Volunteer whos job it is to moderate the forums and filter feedback to CCP. I am trying to get an understanding of what the issue is and what players would like to happen. So I am not sure where you are getting this "Accomplice by ignoring it" from.



Nonsense. We know you are Hilmar, for Hilmar has many faces, all of them identifiable by ISD tags it seems Twisted

As for understanding it, I'm trying to as well. All I keep hearing is blah blah Ghost Farm blah blah alpha account blah blah rich getting richer. I can't blame CCP if they are perplexed by a lot of it, tomorrow there will be a reddit post about how some CCP employee took and hour AND 5 MINUTES for lunch one day last week and why is is terribly unfair to the playerbase.
FIX IT
Numbers Inc
#58 - 2017-06-15 12:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: FIX IT
Jenn aSide wrote:


oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.



you do know i was referencing actual historical scandal ccp was in right? this isn't some "fail conspiracy plan" it is what they actually have done ccp employees created t2 bpos out of thin air and gave it to players they liked.

example


now they have created vast numbers of expencive items out of thin air and gave them to some players, but alot more, as in hundreds and hundreds more to some over others. am i crazy for asking cui bono?
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#59 - 2017-06-15 12:49:55 UTC
Ergum Motsu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:

So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?


CCP could use the existing reward mechanism and hand out copies of them to every account in eve crashing the price to limit the damage (this can be done with a click of a button, you already got the ships and the gift mechanism)

Then give a different gift to each attendees, one per ticket.


Or you can watch as several dozen people become filthy rich. Wait i remember something like this from before, ahh yes, ccp has printed and handed out tech 2 bpos to their buddies. Has ccp checked who is going to benefit from this "intended" action and if they have connections to ccp employees?



I found the underlying point of contention here. I guess this strikes against some people's idea of 'fairness'.

I don't think such ideas apply, CCP can do as they please with stuff they own, which is everything in EVE. And CCP clearly stated in the article that was on the launcher that the rewards would be per account. Like everything else in EVE, the people who paid attention (instead of just assuming it would be "per ticket") benefit from it.

oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.


Which article stated it was one per account - if you mean the recent one then yes it does, however the article advertising tickets for sale in December stipulated "Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser." The reward was a thank you for attending FanFest, not by simply having more accounts than someone else


The article I read when the CONCORd ships were announce said per account. I distinctly remember mentioning it to my corp mate who already had fanfest tickets, I jokingly told him to be sure to contract my a couple. I'm going to remind him when he logs on today.
General Lee Feared
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2017-06-15 12:50:19 UTC
After knowing what the know about ghost training and how many of these items some people were likely to end up with I'd like to hear an actual explanation of

1) What was the decision making process like that resulted in the decision to give one to each account rather than one per ticket?
2) Was the fact that you're giving a huge cash injection to those who just came off exploiting the game not considered?