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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Mace Window
ExDominion
Evictus.
#1441 - 2017-06-11 05:42:04 UTC
After a lot of work and time to get the carrier. Three days after i get it CCP messes it up. TY CCP for making me waste all that time.
Dimitri Steinkamp
Alwar Fleet
Eternal Requiem
#1442 - 2017-06-11 06:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitri Steinkamp
Well, thanks for answering my question "should I start training up for carrier ratting?" CCP Big smile I'll just train 3 additional accounts into VNIs instead, will take less time and provide the same isk/hour as the after-nerf carriers, all while risking not even a quarter of what a carrier ratter risks!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1443 - 2017-06-11 06:10:05 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:


Hi Space Friends,
Coming with our release on Tuesday, we’re significantly reducing the damage output of Fighters.

Why:
We are making this change because Carriers & Supercarriers are too strong in PvE, specifically anomaly ratting in Nullsec. As you may have seen in the May Monthly Economy Report, there is a significant upward trend in the Money Supply. This is primarily due to NPC Bounties.

This trend is unsustainable. Having such a large ISK faucet is bad for the economy, and this ISK faucet is concentrated to a relatively small number of players.


If you hadn't said this part, the top .001% who complained would be shouted down by other players and memed about salt and tears. Truth is no one feels sorry for them.

I've always thought capital DPS should be a role held by dreadnoughts anyway. Maybe give titans a full rack of dread guns too but just for the gimmick. I think Supers are plenty versatile with just support and ewar roles.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1444 - 2017-06-11 06:11:59 UTC
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1445 - 2017-06-11 06:15:55 UTC
Bobaa Fett wrote:
So. This wont correct this isk faucet. You have also potentially created a worse loop. Example. As carriers were the appex pve ship in null...it also created a hunting pool for people like me... Spending billions to effectively hunt these. The extractors....the skills... The plex purchased in the likes of carriers...was.. Immense. Now, less carriers fielded means less carriers will die. Less carriers die, less plex purchased for their replacement. Less carriers in the hunting pool, less people like me spending billions on hunting them. And no one is going to extractor buff their account for carriers that deal similar dps to rattlesnakes dualboxed. ....And you just sent everyone back to incursions. Lets be honest CCP. The player base you have now is all you're going to get. Stop beta testing half assed rebalncing with them.


Plex is a very difficult topic to introduce into this. Plex sales have a positive feedback loop where getting more value from a plex increases number of people that will buy plexes, and a negative feedback loop where plexes offer so much value that people don't need to buy very much plex, so CCP has to keep it within a range relative to the price of items.


HugoRich
HugoRich Corporation
#1446 - 2017-06-11 06:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: HugoRich
How about resetting all skill points and returning them back to training window to train somethig else? And why not?
You would buy a phone with a 8 gigabytes of memory where on box written in next updade could be only 4 gigabytes coz its to cool and noone wants to buy a new models, do you?

Если у вас нет паранойи, это еще не значит, что Они за вами не следят.

Zhul Chembull
Universalis Imperium
The Bastion
#1447 - 2017-06-11 06:22:01 UTC
I do not carrier or rat in a super, but I think after 14 years I have a perspective. The carriers and supers should do nothing short of extraordinary since people take many months, if not years to train into and buy. Part of the appeal of eve is getting that bling ship that really allows you to output money. However, to counter this you have to cough up some change.

You are basically trying to balance aspects of the game that are already balanced because of the time and isk it takes to make/train these ships. You guys really are destroying your own game with these kind of changes. Keep going and you will make it where people just will not play this anymore. I am not sure what is going on the last few months, but you guys really are jumping off a cliff and alienating some of your more loyal players. I have already shut down 3 other accounts because this is becoming less and less fun.

Oh well, you will figure it out. I know you do not actually read these post, like others have said, just a way for us to vent. Soon as a decent mmorpg comes out that I can sink my teeth into, I will be out of this game. You guys really are self destructing.
Sgt Warlock
Thirtyplus
Goonswarm Federation
#1448 - 2017-06-11 06:22:58 UTC
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling
Joe Barbarian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1449 - 2017-06-11 06:41:05 UTC
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling


Here are some numbers for you.
Delve: 260 million made in bounty per capita
Deklein: 460 million made in bounty per capia

Take your Grr Goons crap to reddit please.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#1450 - 2017-06-11 06:41:38 UTC
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.

You can always deploy to Delve and space pewpew them.
But who am I kidding. You're FCon. Even more incompetent and carebeary than Goons themselves are.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#1451 - 2017-06-11 06:43:34 UTC
Joe Barbarian wrote:
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling


Here are some numbers for you.
Delve: 260 million made in bounty per capita
Deklein: 460 million made in bounty per capia

Take your Grr Goons crap to reddit please.

Exclude the inactive players, please. We all know it's Goons abusing the **** out of every ISK faucet they can find. There simply is no bigger nullbear empire than Goonswarm. Not even the RMT Russians get close.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#1452 - 2017-06-11 06:44:52 UTC
The emotional effect of giving something and then taking it away are much greater than never giving it in the first place. That's all what this is about. Entitlement that you guys think you deserve this hyper-inflated money faucet even when it's ruining the economy just the same way Rorquals are.

With my trillions and trillions of ISK, I well belong to these 1% of the 1% in wealth. But I'm not crying about this nerf because I understand that it's badly needed. Don't need an MBA or trillions in wealth for that. It's what experts call "critical thinking skills" which well over 99% of you mindless brainwashed drones are never going to obtain.

EVE is about blowing **** up and having fun in the ******* game, not about shooting ****** NPCs and grinding dank ticks.

Oh and all this hate on Fozzie and Larrikin? It's disgusting. They are NOT solely responsible for these changes. Nearly everyone at CCP will be behind these changes just as much as Fozzie and Larrikin are. They just happen to be the ones announcing it and that's no reason at all to raise the pitchforks against those two.

Are the devs constantly adding **** that annoys the **** out of me? Hell yeah. People call me "epitome of the concept of bittervetism" for a reason. Would I single out the messenger and make him responsible for the change? **** no. That would be short-sighted and seriously dumb and getting rid of the messenger would not change anything at all.


If you're developing that much hate against someone because he changed something about internet spaceship pixels that you don't like that you feel the need to physically harm others (this includes animals you little piece of *****. They have feelings too and are more often than not smarter than you little fucks are) or yourself, then you've got far bigger problems than CCP changing something about your internet spaceships and you should seek medical help.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/47j11z/goodbye_foxfour_scarpia_and_ytterbium/d0dc351/?context=3



If anyone from CCP ends up reading this:
- Give me the ******* old map and scanning system back
- Give me back the option to turn off this crimewatch targeting BEEEEEEEEP because IT ******* DRIVES ME NUTS and forced me to mute every single one of my clients, which already resulted in a few unfortunate ship losses due to my attention being on forum shitposting and not the game.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

HonkiPonki
Smokeherbs
#1453 - 2017-06-11 07:34:00 UTC
... the top 1% of the top 1% ...

.. " i was a wild ccp dev, then i took an arrow to the knee" ..

Wow, beeing the absolute elite now, :thancs ccp:
i also very much support getting my beloved nano niddy constantly hit with a nervbat.
.
how abotu ccp go *insert massive hatspeech spliced with tons of insults and capital letter"..

Then again this reminds me soo much of sonyand the star wars debacel.-)
ima go get some popcorn and see how ccp manges to burn down what was eve online.
SKull
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#1454 - 2017-06-11 07:40:22 UTC
Crash 888 wrote:
Hamasaki Cross wrote:
All this said, I find CCP's strategy highly curious for a game that attracts zero new customers. (new accounts are redundant as people increase scale on existing accounts in the world's most multibox able game). Screw remaining cash cow customers who have given years of solid support in preference for.... I dunno what... bankruptcy?
.


CCP isn't going bankrupt, quite the opposite, they had record year in 2016. 30million USD capital they raised for VR was all paid back and then some, and that only from selling only 1 (rather unremarkable) VR pew pew game. Guess where their future is. Lol



We have seen CCPs grand plans before. Provided VR does take off this time around it will be swamped by AAA titles that have exactly the same amount of complexity and longevity as CCPs VR crap. Which is to say some to none. They will just pushed out of the market just like what happened with dust.

EVE is making money because it is unique in the world. But CCP constantly wants to make generic games and hope that they will somehow succeed against huge corporations with competent marketing teams.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#1455 - 2017-06-11 07:49:41 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.

You can always deploy to Delve and space pewpew them.
But who am I kidding. You're FCon. Even more incompetent and carebeary than Goons themselves are.



Why don't you come to delve and show us your elite ways?

We were also blamed for the mineral prices but if you notice the numbers we are actually importing minerals to delve and not exporting so if anything we are keeping the prices up.
Ergo Eclips
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1456 - 2017-06-11 08:17:29 UTC
u keep nerfing my capital ships which i got ass kik to get them and train to be able to use them .....and seems that what u CCP going to do for all the good ships down here...so it's the time for me to stop playing eve and searching for new one without nerf..........
Joe Barbarian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1457 - 2017-06-11 08:18:05 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Joe Barbarian wrote:
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling


Here are some numbers for you.
Delve: 260 million made in bounty per capita
Deklein: 460 million made in bounty per capia

Take your Grr Goons crap to reddit please.

Exclude the inactive players, please. We all know it's Goons abusing the **** out of every ISK faucet they can find. There simply is no bigger nullbear empire than Goonswarm. Not even the RMT Russians get close.


Are you seriously letting your irrational hatred of ingame politics cloud your eyes from the truth? No wonder CCP doesn't listen to it's player base.
Bron Ander Haltern
Special Mining Ops Inc.
#1458 - 2017-06-11 08:27:19 UTC
If the main high end (ultimate goal) in this game is going to be a rattle even for 2B I am simply saying I am out, I am sorry. CCP do not follow this path.
Nina Nobuna
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1459 - 2017-06-11 08:29:05 UTC
How about reducing bounties instead... did someone suggest that already? Lol
idontknowy
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1460 - 2017-06-11 08:29:17 UTC
Bruce Destro wrote:
VeronicaKell wrote:
Buff NPCs then. I have been training fighters for the last 4 months. Why the hell are you ruining a PVP ship to make your bottom line better? Do your jobs as creative game innovators and not EA Game flunkies... oh wait.



carriers will still have the largest ratting income. 20% reduction in dps can be considered roughly 20% reduction in bounties. 150m an hour to 125? that is still far greater than you can get in a fully skilled faction battleship.



Or I could run 2 vni's, make about the same and only less than 300 mil ISK on grid....