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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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blaedin jordan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1481 - 2017-06-11 10:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: blaedin jordan
RangerAgrius wrote:
Please just come out and admit. EVERY FUCKIN PATCH CYCLE will be determined by what goons do next. I feel like there is a theme here. Im sick of this ****. Sick and tired of CCP factoring in one group of people to determine what the entirety of the patch is going to affect without looking at the rest of the playerbase.

Watch the use of carriers go down in everywhere but hmmmmmmm delve? Watch the use of rorquals crash as you have absolutely obliterated the risk reward for smaller groups that may not be able to defend there space as much or nearly to the same level as well as say....goons?

It is absolutely disgusting that all of your patch cycles factor in one group of people and what about the rest of us? Get ****** and sell your rorq and carrier?

Rorq = not cost effective anymore for smaller groups

Carrier = no longer pvp viable

Eve community that isnt goonswarm? Get ******.



And the sad thing is that Goons won't be affected nearly as bad as these smaller entities either, so it's like swinging a bat trying to hit someone and the innocent dude standing nearby gets clobbered instead. Great job CCP. This is an idea that's on par with fuzzy (Fozzie) sov mechanics that have ground space-exchange and warfare to a stop.
Sadr Dillinger
Nulli-Secundus
#1482 - 2017-06-11 11:04:00 UTC
The 'no cyno' change to carriers really just takes the bloody biscuit in adding insult to injury.

Play your own game for crying out loud! Evil
Mary Timeshift Jane
Doomheim
#1483 - 2017-06-11 11:09:45 UTC
Sadr Dillinger wrote:
The 'no cyno' change to carriers really just takes the bloody biscuit in adding insult to injury.

Play your own game for crying out loud! Evil


Bad decision making slackers like CCP would get crushed and rolled over in their own game.
HugoRich
HugoRich Corporation
#1484 - 2017-06-11 11:11:59 UTC
I remember an old mmorpg from 2006 and ppl still play there, with updates ppl get more tank/heal/dps and new challendge to use it, not the same old stuff with a endless nerf, coz that just looks stupid and noone would play it.
If u taking smth from players u shud give smth instead otherways u just rob em.

Если у вас нет паранойи, это еще не значит, что Они за вами не следят.

Aries Stark
Failure in Progress
#1485 - 2017-06-11 11:48:55 UTC
Sadr Dillinger wrote:
The 'no cyno' change to carriers really just takes the bloody biscuit in adding insult to injury.

Play your own game for crying out loud! Evil



I haven't seen a post about removing cynos from carriers, do you have a link?
Crash 888
TRINTEX
#1486 - 2017-06-11 11:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Crash 888
Molun Darnus wrote:
ALL of this comes down to 1 mistake from CCP, skill injectors, there wouldn't be half the super/titan/rorq pilots in eve if it wasn't for them.....and now we the players take the fall for it..

YOU broke eve, and now you are trying to fix it in the only way you know how...the nerf bat!

GJ o/


and without injectors the remaining half that can pilot them get to use broken nonsense like rr archons for YEARS before any change is made
now all scrubs can abuse the broken thing equally so of course certain groups don't like the injectors
Ezio Sotken
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1487 - 2017-06-11 12:26:37 UTC
Crash 888 wrote:
Molun Darnus wrote:
ALL of this comes down to 1 mistake from CCP, skill injectors, there wouldn't be half the super/titan/rorq pilots in eve if it wasn't for them.....and now we the players take the fall for it..

YOU broke eve, and now you are trying to fix it in the only way you know how...the nerf bat!

GJ o/


and without injectors the remaining half that can pilot them get to use broken nonsense like rr archons for YEARS before any change is made
now all scrubs can abuse the broken thing equally so of course certain groups don't like the injectors


And without injectors, the char bazaar would not have turned into a cess pool. Also people would not be able to rush into caps, train and buy one, but be unprepared.
sakpuncher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1488 - 2017-06-11 12:29:00 UTC
hmm. so let me get this strait. a friend of mine got into a null alliance and got me to come back to the game. i could finally get somewhere and be able to play a game i love and make the isk to plex my account each month with my limited schedule. cool sounds awsome i come back to the game and start training one char tward rorqual and one twards carrier. excited that i finally am going to be able to sustain more then just playing during all my free time only to plex and play with all my free time again just to plex. was thrilled that i actually might have some isk to spend for pvp. which i also love. the rorqual nerf came. well not a huge deal im nowhere near the isk needed to get that setup yet but the carrier is within reach. i can make the money for the rorq when i can fly that right? train my skills for 3 months (rorq and carrier still respectivly. was still training rorq so i could fly it when i was able to make isk with my carrier toon) here i am. 3 weeks away from carrier. already building the parts. and this.... well ccp, i think actions speak louder then words. both my accounts have the same e-mail. so please go ahead and check my sub status on both after this post.
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
#1489 - 2017-06-11 12:36:01 UTC
I personally believe that the fighters of the nerf are not the true nerrf because they are unable to do as such and in the game the real nerf is the fighters we call the citizens of new eden. the nerf is of them and the suppression is real but this is not nessezerily a bad think because some people in the new eden dont even have maps and are unable to do such as the highsec and some dont even no the lowsec at all said even by press F10 in the game screen. and the new beta is even worst but they still will not no if it was a big flashing dot as the map for the nerfed citizens is truely just an intel channel everywhere in are great univerdse such as in dekline, the wicked creeks, cash, catcsh, clout ring, branch, delf, efrium reach, fade, vennel, stain, the spyer, period bases, curtse and much much more they lose out and is it the fail of the education of the clone children of these regions? what I am trying to say is we can help buy educating the new change and helping our future clones by not display of anger just play game and enjoy and change and make pvp on the game look at players such as the kestrel and the drammel they are stronk in game and can make better fighters if we arm are peopel with them. not fighters and big ships that are in out of reach of 99 percnte of the eve such as the highsec.

I think this change will do better for pvp if we do more in the game.

Jade Uisen
The Justified Ancients of Mu MU
Immaterium
#1490 - 2017-06-11 12:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Uisen
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sakpuncher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1491 - 2017-06-11 12:46:23 UTC
Mariza vonAmdonen wrote:
blaedin jordan wrote:
They're going to lose a lot of money next month once scripts run out,


I dont think its gonna be significant. Most crying here that they ll unsub, are just words. Those that will really unsub, wont matter as most of them PLEX their accounts with the billions of ISK from super/carrier ratting. A drop in PLEX price is the only thing that might happen.



that so?

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Eternal Night Mikakka
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#1492 - 2017-06-11 12:48:50 UTC
This has to be singlehandedly the worst update to an mmo I have seen in nearly a decade. These nerfs are based on highly inaccurate data using extreme outliers in order to create the illusion of a problem that doesn't exist. Carrier and super ratting is not the issue here, the actual problem lies with the entire PVE system of eve online. The solution to this so called isk faucet is not nerfing an entire shipline to the point of uselessness. I can't understand why the CCP dev team decided to implement a solution that imbalances the game to the point where battleships can out perform an entire class of ships that take months of dedicated training to skill into (not counting skill injectors).

The decision to implement these changes is obviously a rushed and ill thought out. I am surprised any developer could choose to make such a careless decision like this without first consulting their customer base or community representatives such as the CSM. In the past CCP has consulted the community prior to updates such as this, which begs the question why they wouldn't have given the community time to discuss these changes with the dev team.

The only other game I have played that showed this same disconnect from their community and made drastic changes like this over"RMT" and "inflation" was Runescape back in 2007. During this time Jagex (the developers of Runescape for the few who don't know) took similar measures as the one we are seeing here, instead of addressing the actual problems with their game at the time they decided to completely strip entire features from the game. Starting with the removal of PVP via the wilderness which had a similar high risk high reward PVP gameplay we have, and ending with the removal of free trade between players and replacing it with a harshly limited system. Not surprisingly these changes, and Jagexs utter disregard of the community caused outrage and a massive drop in subscriptions. To this day, Runescape hasn't recovered from this even after they reversed these decisions in 2011. The damage is done.

I hate to think about this, but I see CCP taking this in the same direction Jagex did in 2007. They are ignoring their consumers, they are ignoring the actual problems with the game, they are ignoring the obvious imbalances in the game, and worst of all they are refusing to come to a rational and meaningful solution. Most will argue the changes over the past 3 years are the bulk of their concern and this is the straw that broke the camel's back. Don't get me wrong for me this this definitely broke my camel's back, however for me my complaints start with the pheobe changes and fozzie doc, because it is around this time CCP began to ignore their customers again after the whole monocle riots in 2011. All of these changes were exactly like the changes Jagex made in the past. Brute forced methods that only treat the symptoms, not the root of the issue. Fozzie sov has made the game more stagnant and boring than ever, the jump drive changes, while i will admit were necessary to an extent, make getting an outright chore.

What's worse is any negative feedback about these updates has been either outright ignored or held in contempt by CCP. Which isn't an attitude a developer should have towards their players. CCP, your players are your customers why are you treating your customers with outright disrespect like this. This is unprofessional and totally unacceptable.

Honestly if it weren't for the fact I LOVE the friends I made in this game and I LOVE the corp I run, I would have unsubscribed outright. Instead you're picking and only have to deal with losing 4 out of my 5 subs. Anyway I will stop here before I continue to get petty. My point here is that you need to listen to your customers CCP, and actually look into finding real meaningful solutions. Not just useless patch and fix methods that ultimately destroy the game.


TL;DR Listen to your customer base CCP, don't be Jagex and ruin it with stupid brute force fixes.

Also **** this update
AlexKent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1493 - 2017-06-11 13:01:36 UTC
RangerAgrius wrote:
Please just come out and admit. EVERY FUCKIN PATCH CYCLE will be determined by what goons do next. I feel like there is a theme here. Im sick of this ****. Sick and tired of CCP factoring in one group of people to determine what the entirety of the patch is going to affect without looking at the rest of the playerbase.

Watch the use of carriers go down in everywhere but hmmmmmmm delve? Watch the use of rorquals crash as you have absolutely obliterated the risk reward for smaller groups that may not be able to defend there space as much or nearly to the same level as well as say....goons?

It is absolutely disgusting that all of your patch cycles factor in one group of people and what about the rest of us? Get ****** and sell your rorq and carrier?

Rorq = not cost effective anymore for smaller groups

Carrier = no longer pvp viable

Eve community that isnt goonswarm? Get ******.



Poor Razor, they won't be able to PvP in their carriers anymore because of this nerf. Like that ever happened in the last five years.


Sucks having to pay rent doesn't it?
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
#1494 - 2017-06-11 13:13:47 UTC
AlexKent wrote:
RangerAgrius wrote:
Please just come out and admit. EVERY FUCKIN PATCH CYCLE will be determined by what goons do next. I feel like there is a theme here. Im sick of this ****. Sick and tired of CCP factoring in one group of people to determine what the entirety of the patch is going to affect without looking at the rest of the playerbase.

Watch the use of carriers go down in everywhere but hmmmmmmm delve? Watch the use of rorquals crash as you have absolutely obliterated the risk reward for smaller groups that may not be able to defend there space as much or nearly to the same level as well as say....goons?

It is absolutely disgusting that all of your patch cycles factor in one group of people and what about the rest of us? Get ****** and sell your rorq and carrier?

Rorq = not cost effective anymore for smaller groups

Carrier = no longer pvp viable

Eve community that isnt goonswarm? Get ******.



Poor Razor, they won't be able to PvP in their carriers anymore because of this nerf. Like that ever happened in the last five years.


Sucks having to pay rent doesn't it?


He is not wrong. The nerfs will hurt every other smaller group of players far more than those it is likely intended for. I don't blame any group for playing the game that CCP provide them with though. I blame the content of the game, fozzie sov, skill injectors, citadels to name but a few . Not well thought out at all. I'm not surprised that there are a lot of frustrated people out there, while CCP swings a nerf bat that hurts them.
wouroo
Aideron Robotics
#1495 - 2017-06-11 13:13:55 UTC
after some thought on the subject, I find it doubtful that this change will so vastly alter the meta of PvP that caps are no longer going to be the top dogs of blob warfare, or ratting bounties. unless of course everyone stops using them simply because of overreaction. except that will not happen either.

people in eve tend to only use the best thing for the job, hence everyone using machs, T3Cs and rattles whenever it comes down to serious PvP/PvE. back a while ago, it was ishtars. if carriers and supers are not going to be the best at what they do, then people will change to whatever is. what I see in the meantime is a whole lot of people whining that they are gonna have to figure out how to more creatively do things.

glad I play eve for fun and not to actually try and do anything the best
Berreta Hinken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1496 - 2017-06-11 13:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Berreta Hinken
Oh yeah, now I remember why I stopped playing this game.

The guy who compared CCP to JAGEX is spot on.
Mariza vonAmdonen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1497 - 2017-06-11 13:25:47 UTC
sakpuncher wrote:
Mariza vonAmdonen wrote:
blaedin jordan wrote:
They're going to lose a lot of money next month once scripts run out,


I dont think its gonna be significant. Most crying here that they ll unsub, are just words. Those that will really unsub, wont matter as most of them PLEX their accounts with the billions of ISK from super/carrier ratting. A drop in PLEX price is the only thing that might happen.



that so?

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Well, can I have your stuff?
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
#1498 - 2017-06-11 13:28:44 UTC
Mariza vonAmdonen wrote:
sakpuncher wrote:
Mariza vonAmdonen wrote:
blaedin jordan wrote:
They're going to lose a lot of money next month once scripts run out,


I dont think its gonna be significant. Most crying here that they ll unsub, are just words. Those that will really unsub, wont matter as most of them PLEX their accounts with the billions of ISK from super/carrier ratting. A drop in PLEX price is the only thing that might happen.



that so?

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Well, can I have your stuff?


I know quite a few people who have cancelled subs, especially on alts. Sure, most of them will likely keep an account running and throw a plex on it but at the moment they seem quite serious.
Laenatus
ElitistOps
Goonswarm Federation
#1499 - 2017-06-11 13:48:19 UTC
You guys think CCP will address us pleibs before having their censorship brigade lock the thread again? Hmmmmmmm
Random Freak
Doomheim
#1500 - 2017-06-11 13:52:45 UTC
Laenatus wrote:
You guys think CCP will address us pleibs before having their censorship brigade lock the thread again? Hmmmmmmm


At this moment in time, i can see this going both ways. Either the Patch hits without a single comment or they are scrambling right now to go over their data again and decide if they remove the nerf.

But the lack of communication is greatly disheartening, that's for sure.