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What does FULL API KEY IN YOUR APPLICATION Mean?

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Oraac Ensor
#41 - 2017-05-01 12:55:06 UTC
Djsaeu wrote:
If you are unwilling to trust the Corp. you want to join, by all means do not give the API key. But remember trust is a 2 way street, if you do not trust them why would they trust you?

Trust is indeed a 2-way street.

So the Corp's officers will be only too pleased to give you their APIs in return, right?
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#42 - 2017-05-01 13:26:17 UTC
To the guy above me, when I recruit for my corp, if they wanna see my API too they can have it.

We ask APIs from everyone knowing full well it can be deleted later. It's just a quick in-game background check. We've caught a few people who could do harm. It works and it's non-invasive honestly.
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2017-05-01 13:32:09 UTC
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:
And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....

Data available on your character through the API does not contain any information that is personally identifying to you as a player, only information about your characters and no, none of it belongs to you. It all belongs to CCP as you agreed when you agreed to the EULA.

Specifically:

A. Communications

... You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. ...


and more importantly:

B. Rights to Certain Content

...Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP,...

Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever.

I'm talking about personal,not character data..... slight but remarkable difference.....

And yes i know that the API does not show "personal" data but - in my eyes- that makes no difference.....this is data regarding MY behaviour in the game and that's something any other person has not to care about.......

But i confess that this is something basically,not eve specific..... :-)


I'm curious. What, specifically, do you think the data collectors are going to do with your characters information? Buy a house or a car? Get credit cards in you characters name?
In all honesty I can see a few nefarious trolls using this information to wreck havoc upon your characters life in EvE (EvESkunk) but beyond this game I suppose they could to an extent highjack you gaming life to a larger extent then they could otherwise. Do you want to cripple your RL enjoyment of the game because of fears that your digital character may or may not be effected?

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.

Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
#44 - 2017-05-01 14:10:32 UTC
Joey Bags wrote:
I'm curious. What, specifically, do you think the data collectors are going to do with your characters information?

It's on a need to know basis. And they don't need to.

"It's just a game, mang."

You and me have rights. Even if you don't understand them you still have them. You are free to give them away, but that doesn't mean others are as ignorant as you.

Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2017-05-01 14:33:07 UTC
Paulus Plain wrote:
What does FULL API KEY IN YOUR APPLICATION Mean?


it basically means some kids with not much else to do with their lives feel as if they are in a powerful position to check out people's in-game information in more detail, as if lol, as if that prevents "Spies" from joining.... (Spies are those guys that wish they were born as James Bond, but instead, were born an ox).
Kuromiko
No Expectatlons
#46 - 2017-05-01 16:53:44 UTC
Join a corporation that does not require one, or make your own. It's called freedom.
Fish Hunter
Un4seen Development
Sev3rance
#47 - 2017-05-01 17:48:49 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Djsaeu wrote:
If you are unwilling to trust the Corp. you want to join, by all means do not give the API key. But remember trust is a 2 way street, if you do not trust them why would they trust you?

Trust is indeed a 2-way street.

So the Corp's officers will be only too pleased to give you their APIs in return, right?


The only players i've seen with an actual legit issue with API information is traders not wanting others in on their niche markets.
Nardos Tatio
Doomheim
#48 - 2017-05-01 18:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nardos Tatio
Magnus Jax wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:

And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....



Wrong again.

Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU law ineffective just by writing it into a contract.....well you CAN try it,but it will not stand a court....

BTW you have an interesting view to the real world outside of MMOG.....oh well wait....even mmog have to follow the laws of the real world.....at least in europe.....so your view is flawed.......


IRL you go to jail for shooting people, according to your logic anyone playing COD or BF is going to be in big trouble.

I see two options here.....

First is you really don't get what i'm saying......that would be remarkably sad in the first place....

Second is you just pretend not to understand or play dump because my remarks don't fit your view of the world...........that would be even more sad because it shows a dogmatic behaviour I have trouble understanding....

Anyway.......

The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#49 - 2017-05-01 22:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Nardos Tatio wrote:


The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....


everyone who clicks yes i agree to the EULA just before you download and install,, remember that bit? well just incase you don't
you've agreed to all of this and more, perhaps you should go read it.

now you never have to give anyone your API key as long as you don't want to enter a corp or alliance that insists on them.
so what's the problem? if you've made your mind up and i think you've made that very clear, why would you feel the need to even post this.

snap out of it dude, what are you a pod pilot of a feckin solicitor in space.

go play the game, you sound insane.

PS: ya hijacked Paulus Plain thread ya bollox RollShocked a hahahahaha
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
#50 - 2017-05-01 23:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Nardos Tatio wrote:
The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....


(Btw, you just gave more of your info away by posting here)

And say you get in the corp, then what? Teamspeak/mumble? Nope now they have your IP address.
Not gonna open up to anyone? Good luck making friends/corp mates. Why should they trust you if you can't trust them?
Corp website/forums? Nope, goodbye IP, tracking cookies, and etc.

Why even bother. Why not just unplug everything you own and dig a hole to sit in. Never talk to anyone, be forgotten about and fade into irrelevance.

Good luck with that life m8.

Also the EULA is binding from the moment you click accept. Don't like it in any capacity, you can leave. With all your paranoia, you'd think you would know that already.

This thread got derailed pretty badly. Almost started yelling at OP.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2017-05-02 01:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:
The thread ends here for me because i made my point...like it or not...it stands regardless what you say.....


(Btw, you just gave more of your info away by posting here)

And say you get in the corp, then what? Teamspeak/mumble? Nope now they have your IP address..

Not exactly, without more clarification.

All of us have multiple IP addresses when communicating online.

Locally, within your LAN (eg connected in your home to your modem/router) you have one IP address.

Then, your modem/router when communicating with your ISP has a different IP address.

Then, when you request information, your ISP will request the information and send that request using a different IP address again.

So when a corp forum, TS, or whatever receives your request or data, the IP address attached to that is a public IP address from your ISP. It doesn't uniquely identify you. In general, only your ISP can do that and once they receive the response, they'll s no it back to your modem/router, which will then forward it on to the relevant computer than made the request.

Normally, at best that will geolocation you to a service providers exchange, which is still information, but not personally identifying in any way without access to more information from your ISP and then more again from the setup of computers on your LAN.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt
#52 - 2017-05-02 01:45:15 UTC
When connecting to a server there is much more information than just your IP going out, is my point. Especially a server ran by an organization you already don't trust with your information.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2017-05-02 02:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
When connecting to a server there is much more information than just your IP going out, is my point. Especially a server ran by an organization you already don't trust with your information.

Not if you are careful.

Just takes discipline and personal responsibility.

In either case, if you have one point, no point stating something else. Just state what you wanted to say.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2017-05-02 09:43:16 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.

A full API is for life.

This is absolutely wrong. If you Delete the API key on the homepage they will get no information after that. Also there is the expire option... you can choose from when they don't get info anymore. Whenever I have given out an API, I cancel it afterwards and make a new one. So they can't access my info from that point on. If you don't believe me use evemon or similar program, make an API key and iport it so you can see your info. Then delete the API key on the EVE-O homepage. The next time you open evemon enjoy the error popup. your skill plan will cached so if this is sensitive to you, just make a skill plan with 2-3 skills in it before giving the API, and they will not know what you train after those 2-3 skills.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#55 - 2017-05-02 21:54:06 UTC
Nardos Tatio wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Nardos Tatio wrote:

And YES...every bit of(personal) data belongs to ME not CCP or any other corperation regardless what is written in a contract of any sort.....



Wrong again.

Right again because this is written in EU law.....and you can not make EU law ineffective just by writing it into a contract.....well you CAN try it,but it will not stand a court....

BTW you have an interesting view to the real world outside of MMOG.....oh well wait....even mmog have to follow the laws of the real world.....at least in europe.....so your view is flawed.......


Wow ... just Wow ...

PS: Iceland is not a member of the EU.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#56 - 2017-05-03 14:36:54 UTC
Many people are not including how useful an API key really is. They can be used to verify identity for things like forum accesses and spreadsheet data inclusion, which is useful for market spreadsheets and industrial planning.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#57 - 2017-05-03 14:50:54 UTC
I'll never understand the resistance to giving out API keys. If someone doesn't like doing it, don't join or try to join a group that asks for it. I've always given full API keys when asked, the only thing I do is delete emails to protect the privacy of whatever group I was in before.

If you can't find a group that doesn't ask for it, make your own group and recruit others (don't forget to make your ticker {NO-API} so people know lol.
Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#58 - 2017-05-03 15:21:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'll never understand the resistance to giving out API keys. If someone doesn't like doing it, don't join or try to join a group that asks for it. I've always given full API keys when asked, the only thing I do is delete emails to protect the privacy of whatever group I was in before.

If you can't find a group that doesn't ask for it, make your own group and recruit others (don't forget to make your ticker {NO-API} so people know lol.


Its just standard census paranoia. I've met a decent number of US census paranoid people, and its just a personality trait. They'll be stuck with groups that don't check, and that's the end of the conversation.
Hipqo
Tyde8
#59 - 2017-05-03 17:19:52 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
The end result of a full API is that that account and all characters and records can be traced for that account and characters for the entire life of that account itself. If you leave the alliance/corp they will still have full records of all your activities and contacts in the future, all mail, all correspondence in game, etc.

A full API is for life.


You know you can delete your API keys at any given time right? :P
Nothing about API is for life.

A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"

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