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I really wonder how you make it work for a month, because even with a Gallente tower, I don't manage to get this number. Depending of the reaction, it can go between 11 days to a month (if you are happy with *Carbide reactions)... But it will be inefficient because it means more towers for each reaction, so more fuel and so less profit.

And as you are in a big alliance, you can afford to fill the import silos fully. A small alliance or an individual would take too much risk to do that, fill more than a week of raw products could be really dangerous because any attack would mean a big amount of ISK lost.

With a standard Caldari duo, you get more money because less fuel. But you need to go back each 4 days to retrieve the final reaction, as the silos can't store more than that. And if you don't want to take too much risks, one week of raws maximum.

So it is not so passive that you claim. It is passive for goons (and other big alliances).


If we follow this logic, market orders are passive income. CCP should nerf them.

And nowhere have I said that they 'own' the rocks.
The problem is without people going suspect they take a standings penalty for shooting someone to protect something they made.
Because at the end of the day the asteroids for moon mining are actually player made. They put up a structure, keep it fueled & defended in order to get the field.

So they should be able to defend it without being penalised with standing losses in low sec for shooting ships.
All the suspect status does is eliminate the standing penalty, well, and stop people fleeing into high sec and suddenly becoming immune 2 seconds later.

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Slept on it read more and still a no for me. This is the gayest change ever to Eve. How anyone can be happy at needing to mine is beyond me. I personally manage reaction towers and i don't think this change is going to make the game exciting if anything it just made a dull activity even duller apart from a cool GIF showing a piece of moon being tractor beemed out of a planet. I mean WTF is that really the best Fozzie and the devs can come up with?

Today's moon miners work while you're logged out. It's passive income.

If you qoute me be fair enough to quote my entire text in which I explain why it is not passive.

Again: If you shoot a rat and it does not die immediately while you press your button, but you have to wait for your guns to cycle a few times - in your logic that would be passive income. Same for market orders, as someone else said: you would consider them passive income as well. As soon as you need to do something in order to get something, you are not passive.

But I understand that you neither can or want to follow up on that logic, because you just repeat the very same thing over and over again without being able to counter argue. You've made your point often enough, you're not interested in discussion. Please stop spamming, thanks.

If I shoot a rat and it does not die and then I log off, it will not die alter. Your moon mining will still gather resources until it is full even if you get in a coma for a full week and can't log back in.

A single refinery will be able to host an arbitrarily large number of reaction RAM jobs for a static fuel cost. If there isn't a small amount of ice cost in a reaction, ice will slide further down the toilet as the massive usage from reaction POS evaporates.[/quote]


That's what I'm not getting.. Why not just limit the refineries to 1-3 reactions depending on fit, rigs, etc very much like small medium and large POS's are now

and require them to be the only one anchored in vicinity to a moon (blank or harvestable) with similar fuel requirements.

That would at least keep the reaction market largely as is, which I've really not heard anyone complaining about. It also might prevent massive distruption to t2 industry.

I surrender on physically mining the moon goo. I don't agree, but I surrender.

Call me CCP, we can shake on it

Where does the plex get inserted into the refinery? I am confused.

This design is fairly similar to the idea I had for the Drilling Rig when it was first mentioned.

My idea was to have a structure that was not linked to a moon, but would capture dwarf planets from beyond the solar system it is linked to. It would still take days to draw the dwarf planet to the structure, and it would still be broken down over time into mine-able asteroids. The resulting asteroids would contain ore/ice/moon goo that would normally be found in that systems security range, with the possibility of better.

If the product was closer to what I was thinking, then this could be used in WH and HS, it would just create asteroids of ore/ice in HS and ore and maybe ice/gas in WH.

It could introduce some interesting issues in HS where the miner density is greater and there is no easy way to defend your ore.