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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Feracitus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#501 - 2017-03-21 00:52:58 UTC
Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.
Dr Missy
Silver Guardians
Solyaris Chtonium
#502 - 2017-03-21 01:28:21 UTC
Feracitus wrote:
Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.


There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week
Feracitus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#503 - 2017-03-21 02:24:16 UTC
Dr Missy wrote:
Feracitus wrote:
Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.


There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week


i can dream, cant i?! =(
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#504 - 2017-03-21 02:26:57 UTC
Dr Missy wrote:
Feracitus wrote:
Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.


There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week

Would not that be better than not having them sub at all?
I have several friends who due to RL can't afford or don't want to shell out for a months game time when they can only play on the odd weekend.


You have to take into account, the only reason to keep an account subbed is if you want to train it. Once a character has reached a level the player is happy with, the decision becomes - Do I spend X amount on a game I can only play 4 or 5 days a month.

CCP will continue to lose those weekend warriors and the income they could generate.


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Currently if you live in Australia a 1 month sub is around $24 with exchange rates as they are.
That is $6 a week, which doesn't sound like much when you say it fast BUT if half of that is wasted because you can only play a couple of weekends a month?
Could actually make a good discussion topic at the next EDU.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#505 - 2017-03-21 10:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
The concept of playing the game without paying is fairly engrained in today player mind. You can do that with EVE now from get go, to infinity. But it also gives you some incentives to switch to Omega really fast, to have better experience, as you can get rather extensive experience already, but its hampered by Alpha peasant status.

Availability of PLEX charges, rather than full PLEX will make easier to stash as much gradually as they want. Giving it a feeling of progression and direction you can move into. Giving you an incentive to pursuit a career in EVE as omega, when you dont have cash, but have plenty of spare time.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#506 - 2017-03-21 10:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Orca Platypus
We have been promised a monday review by CCP FullCon.

Any results?

ED: Not like anything CCP FullCon says has any weight behind it, but maybe there's someone in CCP who still cares. #believe.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#507 - 2017-03-21 11:30:05 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Sharcy wrote:
Vulvona Ride-in wrote:
My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise!

Maybe, but ATM only the wealthiest players can afford to trade in PLEX. With smaller units, more ppl can do so, so you'll have more volume with more competition. This should drive the price down rather than up.
No it won't. Those trading in smaller amounts still want to make a profit - Look at the prices of different size Aur lots on the market. My guess, the price of variable amounts of Plex will follow the same trend.

1 = 500 plex = 1.1 bil
.5 = 250 plex = 600 mil
.25 = 125 plex =325 mil
Smaller lots will cost more than a months subscription of 500 plex.


Its hard to say where the new ISK price point for one month of Omega will end up. For example, CCP will be able to offer small packages of new-PLEX, like 100 for $5. This will open up new markets: people who do not want to spend $20 for 1 billion ISK, as they don't need 1 bil, and don't want to spend $20 for something they don't need. Now they can get just what they want. So they buy, and sell in the in-game market. Result: An increase in new-PLEX supply, which drives prices down.

So you think players will shell out $5 US for what 200 million isk?

But of course that is EXACTLY what CCP hopes will happen - The cost of Plex increases in value (to CCP) by 25%

Buy Plex;
500 = $19.95 US
100 = $5.00 US
= Nice bit of extra profit for CCP.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Brian Paone
Doomheim
#508 - 2017-03-21 11:53:32 UTC
Hi! Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for the proposed PLEX changes. Dealing with two separate currencies for premium purchases was a bit cumbersome (and reminiscent of the clustermess that is Neverwinter!). Most times that I wanted something from the AUR store, it wasn't worth converting a whole PLEX for it, but at the same time the AUR couldn't be used for buying gametime (something I may want to do in the future for a challenge; we'll see). Going forward, this little frustration won't be an issue thanks to the proposed changes.

I would also like to report that, despite what some news agencies may be trying to say to the contrary, not everyone is up in arms about these changes. Federal Navy Academy had a very brief discussion on the topic the day the changes were proposed, and discussion was pretty much just limited to making sure we understood the process being proposed. Literally no one had any animosity toward it.

Gotta watch out for that fake news, I guess. ;-) Thanks again! -bp
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#509 - 2017-03-21 12:44:11 UTC
The thing is it never really was 2 separate currencies....
If you had plex you could convert to aurum.
And you'd only have aurum if you wanted something out of the NEX.
McDugle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#510 - 2017-03-21 12:56:10 UTC
I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog?
The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list.

I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory.
That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion.

I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#511 - 2017-03-21 13:29:58 UTC
McDugle wrote:
I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog?
The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list.

I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory.
That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion.

I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far.


UI Placement is a excellent thing to consider, I just don't think anyone has got that far yet. The whole concept in general is a hot topic.

Though I bet everyone is wondering what colour the new codpieces CCP are adding to the NES for us to purchase will be, I'm fond of a wee bit of tartan.


Brian Paone
Doomheim
#512 - 2017-03-21 14:54:19 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
The thing is it never really was 2 separate currencies....
If you had plex you could convert to aurum.
And you'd only have aurum if you wanted something out of the NEX.


Quote:
Most times that I wanted something from the AUR store, it wasn't worth converting a whole PLEX for it,


Sorry for any confusion. :-)
Capqu
Half Empty
#513 - 2017-03-21 16:19:47 UTC
Teros Hakomairos wrote:
Star wars quote : so this is the way democracy dies...with thundering applause

Eve quote : so this is way eve dies....with a jammed open door for microtransactions....

This is not the eve commubity that protested against the monocle anymore,this is a community that finds mt "normal".....

This is not eve anymore.....


my friend despite your broken english i 100% agree

the eve community of the past is dead and the reddit generation will accept this as their attention span is too short to care in a week
Linklight
Tactical Stability Union
#514 - 2017-03-21 17:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Linklight
Quote in the first part of the blog.
" We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days"
But not changing the amount of time that can be bought, has to be 30 days.
Why even put that in there?
Mindrago Aldent
Spacetramp Industries
#515 - 2017-03-21 17:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mindrago Aldent
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#516 - 2017-03-21 17:46:29 UTC
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#517 - 2017-03-21 18:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexa Machavela
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Wtf. So what happens to the 300 Aurum from Christmas I've been saving for a cheap skin.
All the skins are always 400 for the ships i like so I can't use it for anything because the stores too expensive. What am I supposed to with it Now?
Waste it on a pair of pants or something before the time runs out?


1) Buy pants
2) Take pants to a major market hub
3) Sell pants
4) Save that ISK from the pants until the PLEX change
5) After the PLEX change, use that ISK to buy new, smaller PLEX
6) Use smaller PLEX to buy a ship skin

or

1) Buy pants
2) Convince someone with the ship skin you want to trade for the pants

or

1) Buy pants
2) Take pants to a major market hub
3) Sell pants
4) Use the ISK to buy the ship skin in the same market hub or another market hub

or

1) Wait for CCP to have their pre-granular PLEX roll-out sale and buy the ship skin just before the PLEX conversion.

Problem solved.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.

Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#518 - 2017-03-21 18:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexa Machavela
McDugle wrote:
I know it's just a work in progress, but am I the only one concerned by the screenshot of the inventory window on the Dev Blog?
The PLEX Vault should be a button on the button bar, not in the inventory list.

I don't want a constant reminder there's a P2W option every time I open up my inventory.
That would irritate me more than any PLEX/AUR conversion.

I've done some searching on this forum and I think I'm the only one voicing this concern so far.


Actually, putting it in inventory makes sense. While it IS a currency, it's the only one that can be bought and sold on the market as an item or that can be put in a cargo hold, station container, or just into the item inventory as is. ISK, on the other hand, only exists as a number and is available to you anywhere without the need to be transported or bought only in the place you want to keep/use it.

It's like the difference between carrying around cash in a physical wallet or paying digitally (credit card/debit card/Bitcoin/etc.).

Sure, it could go in the wallet window, but it fits equally well as inventory, making this a personal preference of yours and not really a game-breaking issue. After all, I'm sure there's at least one person out there who could make the argument that seeing the PLEX vault as an icon in their wallet would 'irritate them more than any PLEX/AUR conversion', and some would voice the opinion that the PLEX/AUR conversion we currently have is more irritating than any UI change in either window.

Perhaps some form of poll could be used to find which of the 3 options (leave the current system alone/add a PLEX vault to the inventory/add a PLEX vault to the wallet) would satisfy the largest number of players.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.

Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#519 - 2017-03-21 19:14:18 UTC
McBorsk wrote:
"Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change:"

Yeah, how about you let us tell you if it's exciting or not?

I am not excited. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to use ISK instead of corrupting THE commodity of the game. The skins are already on the market, aurum store is a superfluous annoyance.


The skins are on the market because someone bought the skins in the NEX store or received them as a gift from CCP through the redeeming system and then set up a sell order on the market for the skin. The skins aren't just automatically getting populated in the market, nor are they sold by NPC vendors. The vast majority of skins came from the aurum store initially, meaning people had to pay CCP (or someone else who had already paid CCP) for the PLEX they used to buy Aurum, which, in turn, was used to by skins - or character resculpts or clothes.

That means that except for the occasional gift from CCP, all skins, clothes, and resculpts were ultimately bought with RL funds. Getting rid of the store would end the micro-transaction profits from the store for CCP. Do you really think that CCP is going to want to stopping making money from this game or that CCPs employees are going to ask to stop getting a paycheck or at least ask for a much smaller paycheck?

So long, and thanks for all the isk.

nameloading
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#520 - 2017-03-21 19:26:58 UTC
this is in response to the newest dev post about this topic.

you state that you fully understand what are chief compliants were and to me you only addressed a single issue. The issue of the aurum balance is absoutly wonderful and its better then nothing.

but what about the concerns about this turning into just a cash grab as well as this IN FACT making the economy that much more convoluted. i understand you guys are a bussiness in the end but this is just plan old ea tactics and its sad to see how the mighty have fallen. i love this game and i love so many people in it as well at ccp but come on. There must be some other way then making this economy super convoluted.

im begging please to re higher an economist to help you guys.