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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#181 - 2017-03-16 19:00:10 UTC
beakerax wrote:
1000 seems easier to understand than 500…


And then convert aurum at 1:3.5 ratio? There is a reason why they went with a divisor of 3500...
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#182 - 2017-03-16 19:01:33 UTC
Tau Phoenix wrote:
So, where will this change end up going?

Currently one PLEX is equal to 30 day of game time - Simple. By granulating this into a smaller commodity i can see the following happen:

PLEX units will be a smaller nominal cost to purchase with RL Money.

At first 500 PLEX units will = 30 days, then we will soon see 300 units = 14 days, 180 Units = 7 days. This can have its merits.

My concern will be if CCP decide that next month we they will change the requirement to purchase 30 days of game time to say 550 units of PLEX, then 600 etc.....

By having smaller PLEX commodities will give a greater control to manipulate the market, both in RL through the price to play the game and also the ingame markets as a consequence.

This will be another defining moment in CCP's history when this hits.....lets hope its not another 'Monocle gate'.


Oh noes!! CCP might raise it's price!!!

It's been trucking at the same price through 13 years worth of RL inflation...
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#183 - 2017-03-16 19:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Aihaken
Someone on the CSM (etc.) leaked this information. PLEX pices didn't just arbitrarily spike 200m ISK overnight "because". Even if the leak wasn't expressly stated it was certainly implied. No tinfoil or conspiracy, but you'd have to be an idiot not to recognize the extreme coincidence with the timing.

I mean, that's fine. This won't be the first or last time certain alliances have benefited from advance knowledge on the CSM (etc.) so why should the vast majority of players expect anything differrent this time? This will be the last time I vote in the CSM and I hope it's finally abolished.
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Insofar as the proposed PLEX changes are concerned, I'm fine with all of them except one: CCP's initial decision to not reimburse anyone below 1000 Aurum. I think the reasons stated are quite frankly ridiculous, and this is nothing more than a blatant attempt to squeeze in more Aurum sales for CCP and drive-up Aurum demand for resellers prior to the switch.
Ryoshu
Pi Research Institute
#184 - 2017-03-16 19:06:37 UTC
It's completely outrageous for CCP to effectively steal players' AURUM when they have less than a 1000.

Presumably, they are doing this to make everyone with less than 1000 buy some more to get over the minimum requirements. CCPlease stop being money grabbing bastards.
lord kiritomaster
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2017-03-16 19:08:09 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store!

Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX.

Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way!

Please note, these changes don’t have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer.



are we still going to be able to donate plex to our allies in the game. because i use 3 accts and i only bluy plex on one
Phelt54
Academy of the Unseen Arts
#186 - 2017-03-16 19:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Phelt54
Dividing up PLEX is only going to make PLEX more confusing. Players will need 500 PLEX to play for one month. A new person is going to be confused as to why they need 500 units of PLEX. These changes are simply to phase out Aurum. Peoples Aurum will be converted to PLEX and it will only be good for some game time. Why not let people just convert their Aurum to isk and use that isk to put towards the purchase of a PLEX? Keep the PLEX good for one month of game time. I really don't agree with many of the crazy changes CCP comes up with. Mining and industry pilots have been neutered. The changes to the mining barges are ludicrous. Why is the litle dinky procurer an invincible ship and the covetor is left weak? Why was all mining barges reduced to two strip miners. When I started mining years ago I mined in a destroyer. I was so thrilled when I could finally fly a retriever. When I upgraded to a covetor and had my hourly mining yield increase it felt empowering. The ship heiararchy in eve has small ships that are weak, but agile and fast moving. The different ship classes generally get better at their traits as they become larger, defenses increase and the ship becomes less agile and moves slower. There is a consistent skill training heirarchy to training to use the larger and more effective ships. The changes to the mining barges defy these principles. The changes to refining yields don't make any sense either. Why have refining yields been reduced to 60ish%? When people refine at a NPC station they're already taxed for the services. People who mine in low or null sec already have access to the really pricey ore and minerals. Why make it super difficult on the high sec miners? The changes to the mining yields might not have had any real market effect, besides driving up the isk prices of minerals. Why make it so that refining never yields more than 75% of what it used to?
virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2017-03-16 19:13:56 UTC
Will this change be applied to the Chinese server as well?
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#188 - 2017-03-16 19:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Aihaken
PLEX doesn't work for the New Eden store in its current form, Aurum is a third currency and you need a conversion for ship SKINs and (future) microtransactions. It's not really going to be that confusing. ISK will continue to be the in-game currency and the new PLEX will be the out-of-game currency that's safe, secure (new vault) and can be used to renew your subscription, resculpt your character, etc. You'll just need more of it - meaning the new PLEX will likely be sold in smaller increments going forward.

We can expect to finally see the New Eden store overhauled, revamped and expanded with many new features and service offerings. I for one welcome our new Microtransaction Overlords.
Hirisho Presolana
Evian Industries
Evictus.
#189 - 2017-03-16 19:20:24 UTC
personally i like the idea of updating the system, but imho you guys got lost in the process..

beside being used as currency to exchange real money to isk, PLEX remains an item..
while AURUM is currency..

if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion..
also, it doesn't really match with possible updates to the clone states..

imho, it would be better to actually keep aurum (or call it differently), let players buy plexes using aurum as a common item, and add various type of plexes, allowing for more clone states.

for example..
OMEGA plex will be as is..
BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills
SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice..
etc..

in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items..

if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing..
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#190 - 2017-03-16 19:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Aihaken
virm pasuul wrote:
Will this change be applied to the Chinese server as well?

That's a good question. There was a thread on Reddit discussing the fact that the company that runs Serenity is approaching the end of their contract. How this impacts the new PLEX or what this potentially means for Tranquility is anyone's guess. In any event I'm not privy to enough information to be even able to speculate at this point.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#191 - 2017-03-16 19:26:48 UTC
We just thought. This could be a perfect scam. Contract one PLEX and say it's for an entire month. Why not? I'ts a PLEX, after all.

Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison

Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#192 - 2017-03-16 19:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Aihaken
Hirisho Presolana wrote:
if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion..

Imho, it would be better to actually keep aurum (or call it differently), let players buy plexes using aurum as a common item, and add various type of plexes, allowing for more clone states

for example..
OMEGA plex will be as is..
BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills
SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice..
etc..

in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items. if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing..

Please re-read your suggestion and tell me how this is supposed to be less confusing? We can get rid of old PLEX and Aurum and replace it with 3 or more different type of PLEX - all of which will have unique values depending on how they are perceived by the market.

In short, no. H*ll no. Burn this idea with fire no.
There are ideas and then there are just horrible bad, ill-conceived ones...
Hirisho Presolana
Evian Industries
Evictus.
#193 - 2017-03-16 19:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirisho Presolana
Drake Aihaken wrote:
Hirisho Presolana wrote:
if the current system is confusing, this change will cause even more confusion..

for example..
OMEGA plex will be as is..
BETA plex, costs less than a plex, let's you fly whatever you're trained for but cannot train new skills
SPECIFIC CARRER PLEXES, let's you fly and train only specific type of ships depending on your career of choice..
etc..

in this sense, plexes becomes a family of items. if you convert plexes in currency, ofc you can do the same, but it won't be less confusing..

Please re-read your suggestion and tell me how this is supposed to be less confusing? We can get rid of old PLEX and Aurum and replace it with 3 or more different type of PLEXes - all of which will have unique values depending on how they are perceived by the market.

In short, no. H*ll no. Burn this idea with fire no.



they introduced clone states assuming there would've been "more" clone states in the future f i'm not wrong..

it's less confusing because to buy game time you buy an item that gives you game time..
an item that has a price and a value on the market..
An item that has a slot in a specific market page..

exactly as it works now, beside you need to buy aurum before buying plex..
but that's the reason why you have an "external currency"..

otherwise one could buy SKINS directly in dollars..

but, hey, i'm not here to convice anyone, just throwing my 2 cent that, of course, can be crap
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#194 - 2017-03-16 19:38:13 UTC
Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#195 - 2017-03-16 19:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Disregard! I made a boo boo and wrote some non-sense Big smile

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2017-03-16 19:40:34 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kyttn wrote:
"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000?
A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."

Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here



7 aurum will become 1 plex.

so 1050 aurum is 150 plex.

They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000



Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for £3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it?

I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Hirisho Presolana
Evian Industries
Evictus.
#197 - 2017-03-16 19:43:03 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kyttn wrote:
"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000?
A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."

Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here



7 aurum will become 1 plex.

so 1050 aurum is 150 plex.

They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000



Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for £3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it?

I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal.


or you buy 2700 more aurum so you get a plex instead
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#198 - 2017-03-16 19:44:04 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for £3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it?

I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal.

Buy a PLEX and turn it into Aurum? Use that Aurum to buy something from the NES?

What CCP does is perfectly legal. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you created that EVE account. They only grant you a right of usage, not ownership of anything.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Aelavaine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2017-03-16 19:45:49 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
Are we have any of the questions in this thread answered by CCP or the CSM?
From my experiences with CCP the answer is a clear no.

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Col Crunch
Fancypants Inc
Theran Alliance
#200 - 2017-03-16 19:50:22 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
Really, and how about the 900 Aurum I bought for £3.99, i'm just supposed to suck it up and lose it?

I'll bet, same as other on here that it's nowhere near legal.

Buy a PLEX and turn it into Aurum? Use that Aurum to buy something from the NES?

What CCP does is perfectly legal. Read the EULA that you agreed to when you created that EVE account. They only grant you a right of usage, not ownership of anything.


Um, no? Just buy a plex convert it to aurum, and leave it. 4400 AUR will STILL be converted to plex. You get your plex back, and the conversion of the extra 900. Unless there is something you really want from NES.

As for legality, I assume they will stop AUR sales as we near release, bot for their sake, and because I am sure there is a grey area when it comes to selling someone something then taking it away the next day.