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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2017-03-16 17:09:34 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.

- infinite cyno alts.
- infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs
- infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!

obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?

i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?


Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time.

It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.

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Phoenix4264
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#122 - 2017-03-16 17:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix4264
Could we get a confirmation of if new PLEX can be exchanged for game time in more granular increments or if it will only be in 500 PLEX / 30 day blocks?

I really like the idea of smaller MCT blocks, but as others have pointed out short subs have balance concerns.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2017-03-16 17:13:26 UTC
Why not just allow plex/aurum to be converted between eachother, and let people cash out their aurum for aurum tokens?

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Cholly Chi
Acme Entropy
#124 - 2017-03-16 17:13:41 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Granularity good, vault bad.


says the career ganker;)
Velarra
#125 - 2017-03-16 17:16:46 UTC
What are CCP's intentions for the Aurum in-game tokens that're sold/traded on the market or moved around in ships?
Damassys Kadesh
Sideways and Tactless
#126 - 2017-03-16 17:17:15 UTC
Allsales Final wrote:
Damassys Kadesh wrote:

-I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you not keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists)

Cheers

How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX?


I'm no software dev, but I believe that would be a massive feature to implement and introduce many more variables into to situation... just leave it as-is and shove information into new-players' faces so that they understand the risk if they try to haul it.

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Niwt Owt
Lempel-Ziv-Welch Mineral Compression
#127 - 2017-03-16 17:19:29 UTC
I think it makes more sense to move PLEX to Aurum. Aurum is a currency and PLEX is a pilot license extension. It makes sense to buy game time with a currency. It doesn't make sense to buy skins with a pilot license extension.

Or another way to do it is just use ISK as the main form of currency, just allow you to buy everything in the Aurum store and all the PLEX services with ISK. Then allow you to buy ISK with real money.
Katrina Bekers
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2017-03-16 17:20:46 UTC
Posting in what it will become the threadnaught of the month.

Oh, just to throw ideas around for the team:

500:1? It's ok to convert AUR with a 1:7 ratio, but many other ratios are a bit harder. Choose carefully your submultiples.

I'd fully expect for "500 milliplexes" (plexerinos? plexinos? mPLEX?) to not cover anymore 30 days of omega time, but soonish 28 days of omega. So we could imagine also 250 mPLEX (2w) and 125 mPLEX (1w) game time coverage.

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ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#129 - 2017-03-16 17:22:37 UTC
This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day Shocked

We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then?

item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it.


I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/
Krieg Austern
#130 - 2017-03-16 17:26:54 UTC
ApexDynamo wrote:
This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day Shocked

We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then


To remove AUR, and replace it with PLEX, meaning they need a smaller measure.
Cholly Chi
Acme Entropy
#131 - 2017-03-16 17:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cholly Chi
ApexDynamo wrote:
This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day Shocked

We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then?

item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it.


I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/


It eliminates Aurum which needlessly complicates CCPs life, allowing Plex to be used in the New Eden market place. And ultimately the same isk-value of Plex will buy one month's play time. What does it matter if you pay for a month's game time with 500 one Plex bills or one?
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2017-03-16 17:30:47 UTC
Will somebody answer that goddamn phone?! Because I ******* called it.

About time, too, CCP. Took your sweet time on that one.

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Tetsel
House Amamake
#133 - 2017-03-16 17:34:09 UTC
Quote:

Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000?
A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market


That's basically stealing... thx CCP

My Aur balance is below 1000 but that's some paid Aur. FC what do ?

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2017-03-16 17:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Querns wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.

- infinite cyno alts.
- infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs
- infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!

obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?

i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?


Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time.

It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.


They might do 3 month for 1400 or similar discount later on like they do on multi-month subs.

People thinking they will get the same time to PLEX conversion rate if CCP ever bring shorter than 1 month increment are insane. If shorter than a month ever start to exist, it will cost MORE added together to a total of 30 days than if you buy a 30 day chunk. By converting to 500, you effectively already have this built in!!! You can charge easy to count numbers like 25 new PLEX for a single day for example. It's important to note that this would still probbaly have negative impact on CCP's balance so they probably won't do smaller than 30 days sub plans.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#135 - 2017-03-16 17:41:44 UTC
Why not convert PLEX to its AUR equivalent and call it a day?
PLEX has its material meaning to its name. Diverting it is going to be confusing to everybody.

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Shkiki
MastersCraft
#136 - 2017-03-16 17:42:01 UTC
This is a good change. Everything in eve stays the same, we can blow up people and loot plex from it, we can spend it on game time all the same, and aurum conversions are simpler and more straight forward.

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esquimo leviticus
Origin.
Fraternity.
#137 - 2017-03-16 17:42:42 UTC
So on the three accounts that I have 690, 50 and 60 Aur i'm just going to lose that amount??? It may not be much but that is one hell of a lot of assets CCP are just ditching from the game, not a fan for that reason. You's need to convert all amounts of Aur, am guessing you remember the monocle incident????
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#138 - 2017-03-16 17:45:51 UTC
Querns wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.

- infinite cyno alts.
- infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs
- infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!

obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?

i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?


Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time.

It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.



"We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex."

This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time.

On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing.

CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time.

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TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2017-03-16 17:46:13 UTC
Two questions for whichever dev reads this:

1. I assume the PLEX rewards in the recruitment system will get an equal conversion and will give out 500 PLEX in the future?

2. Why go with the PLEX name and not the Aurum name? Aurum makes much more sense as a name for microtransaction currency. PLEX is just... meh.

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#140 - 2017-03-16 17:49:36 UTC
Dont act like idiots, all that (99%) plex tanked ships were RTM same with injectors etc;
The change is just stupid.
So every bought plex would change for 500plex? Wtf? For what a reason?