EVE General Discussion

That's kind of the problem, isn't it? If you really believe there is no right way to play EVE, then it follows that there is no wrong way, either, doesn't' it?

EVE is about small-gangs, at least in high-sec. They even call it that on the web-pages I go to find fittings and strategies. Small GANGS.

Like ghetto thugs. They flat out say it! My wife grew up in a ghetto like this, and I, visiting that, even though my white community was just as poor, they thought I had something they didn't. Look. Look at what I'm wearing. I helped you move, last year, Omar. You're whining? I borrowed your truck, Nathan, to move my **** several years later when I went to college. Does it look like I'm rich? Stealing your women. Whatever.

None of you wanted her. We ran track in high school together, and fell in love, but don't act all butt-hurt, now. NONE of you wanted her. Nobody stole anything from you.

This just highlights the WRONG way and the RIGHT way. You say there is no RIGHT way to play EVE. By that, you admit that you think there is no WRONG way, either. Being a thug is always the WRONG way, now isn't it?

That's true. You can do whatever you want to do. It's called free will, and it exists. People have often bitched at me for drawing real life parallels to this game. You just did that, too, as have most of the people that have whined at me. You expect to be treated in a certian manner, even in game, because of society and it's values.

What I said about the Sith being completely correct, in another thread, within the context of their canon environment? Nobody is going to balk at that, in context, but let that same drive and morality appear, here?

They'll complain. As far as it relates to eve, people are going to be the same, evil thugs they have always been, sans a few who actually have the guts to say, no.

I have a hard time understanding people who want to STOP ganking. I don't want to STOP you from ganking. I just want my rights to field a hell of a tank, protect my own, and make you wish you were never born.

So this is an entirely pointless thread since the forums are part of the meta gaming and any balance issue is construed as salt, and in the cases where it is not, CCP took 20 months(?) to nerf the Svipul when it was clearly broken.

The real issue is how easy it is to gank and the apparent difficulty in countering it.

I have no doubt, Cade. Discrimination, also means, simply, to make a choice.

If I say I like Chocolate Ice Cream, and I hate Strawberry, I made a discrimination. A choice. The dictionary backs this up, but we all know good and damned well that the CONNOTATIONS apply, and color the facts. Today, discrimination means to make an unfair choice, a biased, hateful choice. It means this, even though it's not defined as this.

Gang is one of those words. There are a lot of words that people hide behind, 'oh, but it just means...'

Yeah. It just means... Ok.

I have been mocked for my MUSH background, calling things meta-gaming that folks, today, just don't see as meta-gaming. Basically, in effect, what I am told, on these forums is that people don't play a character. They are not being dicks, as a role.

They just ARE dicks. That being the case, the only reason people don't do in real life, what they do here, if we are talking about this group, is that they are too cowardly to face the real life consequences. This game is a healthy outlet for them.

But at the same time, don't expect me or anyone else to be happy about your thug-life choices. It's like BLM whining about a dude who beats the hell out of an asian half his size to steal a cigarello. I won't even honor him by mentioning his name, but at the same time, Tamir Rice is forgotten after two weeks.

Seriously? Dude, two white cops rode up in a car, and body armor, and killed a 12 year old kid, in 7 seconds flat. It's on video. I don't need a batch of thugs that, hell, honestly the cops were right to kill, since they attacked the cops!

This is a slam dunk case, right there, all by itself. You're gonna have to pry me off this ****, but BLM just gave it up. People are weird, and illogical. Same thing with your game. The people doing these things in the game, at least in many cases, would do it to you in real life, too, if they could.

This I totally agree with, great post.

Hmmm, difficulty in countering a gank huh. I can think of some ways to counter a gank. it depends on perspective.

My perspective is that if a reasonably organised blue community can realise the potential of working together then things can be achieved.

Yes the gankers have found a window of opportunity within ccp game mechanic thats all they have done nothing more. the only real advantage they have is that they work together in a uniformed fashion. The hi sec community outnumber the gankers, so, all we need to do is get organised formulate a plan and execute it.

Why can't we organise and gank their stealth bombers while they are waiting for a freighter to come along? we could potentially earn approx 5 to 10 million in whats dropped as loot per ganker. We can also find out what loot ship they use and gank it using their own tactics.

I'll never accept that there is no counter to ganking. The only issue is the way people think. many of us have fallen into a belief system in Eve and are totally terrified of doing anything outside of the box.

I'm very much in tune with Eve and I know there are some very angry people out there who want some sort of justice for their staggering losses. God I'd love to gank a ganking fleet somehow just to see their tears in local chat.

Thanks.

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'If I were to speculate about others I would say that some people very much treat the forums as an extension of the game ' -- Cade

I get to use Cade as an example. I relish that opportunity being made available.

I liked your post because I can discriminate over fine wine and I do, often. At some point based on the the way it is going I will be hauled off to jail for that.

Gang can be used as work gang or James and his gang, but can be used as gang as in hoodlums or thugs. I could equally use gaggle, but in any case the way it is used in Eve is a small number of players ganging together, it is not a small fleet, but could be, but I don't want to get too tied up on how many is what, I would say it is a fairly loose term that means different things to different people.

PS I would like to see a Armour mining ship too

Herzog, I hope you are well, perhaps if Aaron actually tried it he would get past the theory into actual practice and it would open his eyes a bit, but part of the fun is to try and he is good at trying at least But he has not even tried yet...