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While I normally disagree with large nullsec entities, I have to agree with Lucian. I have been caught many times in low sec by instalocking hics with focused scripts, but I find it annoying at best.

Calling bullshit on the people that say they bring HICs to their kite fleet comps, because HICs are slow compared to their t1 variants, and slowing down targets that are chasing you is not the point of a kite fleet, since it can reduce missile damage with the reduction of sig that happens when MWD turns off.

The only thing here that's being nerfed is the anti-kiting arsenal which is basically just HICs and gallente tech 2 ewar ships - and maybe mordus ships, but their range isn't as good. As someone listed earlier.

There are other ways to nerf HICs other than removing an entire portion of a very niche ship job. You can add the movement changes from having bubbles up to the focused point, or things like that.

Reduction in range to below the standards set by gallente ships is not a feasible solution. HIC pilots will just switch to the cheaper lachesis and just have a bubbler on field. Because of this, I disagree with the people who say this helps small pvp gangs, because now you have to have two people to do the same job that one person could have done in a HIC. This benefits large gangs with lots of people to fill roles while small gangs with limited people may not be able to fill those roles while maintaining an ample amount of dps in the fleet.

This will remove long scrams from every race except the Gallente Federation's EWAR ships - which already have competing mid slots for sensor damps (The new ECM) and tank (because who flies armor kite, be real).

In conclusion, this change will remove hics from the small gang arsenal but make very little change to the arsenal of large groups that can work around the change by adding more people in more specialized ships to do the job. Only those with access to Gallente tech 2 ships will be able to have comparable scrambling ranges at the cost of tank and dps (when compared to HICs). This will not change the status quo for large gangs.

As far as dps goes, most solo/small gang HICS can do 450-500+ dps. The devoter with heavy beams was especially potent and it could still fit a singe rep to tank 500dps (which is easy when youre at 37km and very little can project that far, except rlml). For perspective, those HICs are doing HAC level dps, with 37km scrams and very managable tanks with no downside.

As far as the "solo kite community" from your previous comment, your ignorance is showing, HICs didnt hurt orthrus, they nuked brawly battleships/battlecruisers as it nullified their main utility, the MJD. As well as placing them outside the range of secondary utility, heavy neuts.

But keep thinking this is all because "kiters" were complaining about HICs. Ironic that people like you ***** and claim kiters are taking away your uber scram, when you yourselves were kiting outside any reasonable range to counter.

Stitch, you know I respect you, but the vitality of solo battecruisers or battleships is not a good thing to balance an entire ship class around. HIC's are not the cancer here. It's the Orthrus, Omen Navy Issue, Keres, Tengu gangs. They are already very strong and now will be even stronger.

I didn't say a HIC had good DPS relative to its price, or even good DPS for its hull class, I just said that any HIC still has better tank and gank than a Gallente Recon.



Gee, it's almost like that's what the Ship is bonused for and should be able to do. HICs have bubbles, better tank, better DPS, and are basically the only ship that can tackle Supers, and laugh at Stabs. I think the Gallente Recons deserve to be able to claw one back, because while long points aren't bad there's a reason you don't see many gangs running a Lachesis but you see a fair number of HICs.

first thing first i don't speak speak as a We Form V0LTA member, just as a roamer (i'm not even in Thera ))) )




Screening is needed when your fleet pull range, you don't need to hold the same inty for 60 sec, your goal is to cycle once to reduce as much as possible the number on inties / small ships / cruisers that can get in the "danger zone". So yeah you tap your scrambl at anything burning at you, cutting their MWD is enought for blapping them on the way;



HIC is another tool to give us possibilites to counter another nano gang.

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can project further than 37.5km so the HIC won´t change ****.
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Do you realize that anyone who were seriously roaming stopped to play anything that couldn't apply DPS above 40km ? Because of the very same HIC change ?

And slowly but surely anyone adapted the same way ? Like... You

So what you are saying is that the 1 ship that can counter small gang and solo nano roamers is to be nerfed so the small gang nano solo pvper dont have a hard counter

this is really daft and not needed

look at the kill boards moron larken how many hic' kills are there on nano ship not many

now compare how many kills small gang nano roamers get ...millions

so the 1 ship that is a good conter but not always sucessful anainst nano roamer is nefrt to hell which affects its roll in many other situations like the rule it is used most for now as a anti boosher on larger fleets that has the tank but if the script is used cannot be repped become useless.

lets look at the hic's since you changed the capitail mchanics they are not as usefull as they were before becase they are not need to catch caps any more and can easily be killed

the ship is very skill intensive and take a very long time to train into fully and the 1 thing it is still good for you are nerfing

larkin there is no logic to this change and apart from the odd kill of the odd nano solo roamer the nerf is completly unjustified in any way shape or form stop listening to a few people who hate getting caught once in a while to a ship that is desinged to do exactly what it is supposed to do .

nerf this ship larkin and you will prove to the eve coumity you have no idea what you are doing even more than we think it now
hyde represent himslf and only a few guys in eve have any time for him . don't be 1 of those few tards

just trying to make the point that it is rare to meet a hic if you are solo roaming

Maybe try bringing a Gallente EWar ship?

i'mafraid you cannot counter small gangs or a solo orth in a galente ewar ship unless you have a full support fleet with you

again you miss my point

So you are admitting that the Keres and Orthrus are overpowered? Thanks. When your best answer is bring the very ships that are the problem, then you need to reevaluate your argument.

For the record, I like the Keres. It is a great ship. The Orthrus is also a fine ship. I just like to see more viable counters. I think all warp disruptor and warp scrambler ranges need to be increased.