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[December] Excavator Mining Drone yield rebalance

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nm Kain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-12-07 17:18:36 UTC
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.

My drones currently mine 1340m3, with the nerf that's 911m3, times that by 5, thats 6700m3 to 4555m3. Way to go to kill the mining community. We spend billions, are sitting ducks for 5 minutes and this isn't good enough?

I swear. I feel like quitting.

That's how angry I am. And they announce this days after I plex my accounts. Seriously considering not plexing my accounts after christmas.

Yeah. Me and a load of people are not happy.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2016-12-07 17:18:48 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components



1. Awww =( Objectively it's needed but still awwwwwwww!

2. I'm honestly surprised no-one saw this issue coming from a mile away. Good change.

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Michael Jordan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2016-12-07 17:19:12 UTC
Hans Bauer wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!



So you released last month statistics without any stats that include the rorquals and now you want to cut that by 32% ?
I wouldn't mind but only if you reduce components cost so the drones would cost not more than a t1 mining barge. Furthermore both propoise and the orca are a mining joke orca makes no more than 15-20 mil per hour those should have increase . That will hurt people who have 1 or 2 rorquals but not the real players the ones with 10+


the orca and porpoise are not meant to be solo mining boats. there is 0 reason for anyone to fly anything other than them if they get buffed more. they are command ships that buff allies and assist in multiple ways and frankly already mine more than they should.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2016-12-07 17:19:37 UTC
nm Kain wrote:
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.

My drones currently mine 1340m3, with the nerf that's 911m3, times that by 5, thats 6700m3 to 4555m3. Way to go to kill the mining community. We spend billions, are sitting ducks for 5 minutes and this isn't good enough?

I swear. I feel like quitting.

That's how angry I am. And they announce this days after I plex my accounts. Seriously considering not plexing my accounts after christmas.

Yeah. Me and a load of people are not happy.


Oh please leave and don't come back. PLEASE.

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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#85 - 2016-12-07 17:19:42 UTC
Robbert Smith wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%


Does this include a matching nerf to 'Excavator' Ice Harvesting Drone cycle time?



Ice is a different matter. There are less units of ice in an ice anom than ore in an Enormous or Colossal anom. When you mine out an ore anom from system upgrade a new one spawns immediately, as opposed to ice where it takes 4h for a new one to spawn.
Michael Oskold
Beyond Good and Evil.
#86 - 2016-12-07 17:21:34 UTC
nm Kain wrote:
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.

My drones currently mine 1340m3, with the nerf that's 911m3, times that by 5, thats 6700m3 to 4555m3. Way to go to kill the mining community. We spend billions, are sitting ducks for 5 minutes and this isn't good enough?

I swear. I feel like quitting.

That's how angry I am. And they announce this days after I plex my accounts. Seriously considering not plexing my accounts after christmas.

Yeah. Me and a load of people are not happy.


its okay we can help you with that )))
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#87 - 2016-12-07 17:24:46 UTC
nm Kain wrote:
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.




...no? It's not clear that everyone is against it. I'd have probably started at 20-25%, given the power to wield the nerfbat, but that's more of a quibble than opposition.

I mostly just find it bizarre that, while the mining yield of a mining ship is getting a nerf (needed or not), the literally-invulnerable scram ability of a mining ship is something they want to watch "evolve".

Off label uses are fun and good, but it's a strange divergence from the normal paradigm of "No counterplay = bad".

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Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
#88 - 2016-12-07 17:26:17 UTC
Mostlyharmlesss wrote:
"Hey guys, null sec is finally getting the same ISK/hour as high sec Incursion runners, we can't have that"


Because a) nullsec doesn't already have incursions that pay out at a higher rate than hisec incursions
and b) hisec incursions are well known for paying out 500m isk per hour like the rorquals have been

Good memeing though! Well done!

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nm Kain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2016-12-07 17:26:26 UTC
"Oh please leave and don't come back. PLEASE. "

How about you grow a brain and troll something more witty? Oh.. Wait... Growing a brain requires a brain. So your kinda screwed.

"its okay we can help you with that )))"

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lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#90 - 2016-12-07 17:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: lord xavier
Messenger Of Truth wrote:
Mostlyharmlesss wrote:
"Hey guys, null sec is finally getting the same ISK/hour as high sec Incursion runners, we can't have that"


Because a) nullsec doesn't already have incursions that pay out at a higher rate than hisec incursions
and b) hisec incursions are well known for paying out 500m isk per hour like the rorquals have been

Good memeing though! Well done!

So, paying out 500m/hr in high security, you get concorded when you tackle one guy? Thats okay? No, the fact the rorqual is being nerfed because it yields too much isk per hour, and it is going 32% below hisec incursions is ********.

Space that is Safe by a permanent mechanics should not yield more isk than low security or null sec. Given how carrier mechanics changed level 5s and ratting. Now mining got a buff, then a nerf this hard, yet incursions have not been touched to reduce their isk per hour in hisec is absurd.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#91 - 2016-12-07 17:31:44 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

You'll probably also have noticed that mining activity in nullsec is waaaaay down, except for a very few select regions (and guess who's sitting there?). Compare the stats of October and November if you don't believe me. Was that also a design goal?




As noted in the November economic report, logging of drone mining yield was broken, so that's probably not a very good comparison.

Judging by the numbers from the raw data, it was broken for four days, maybe less. That doesn't explain the collapse of mining activity in most nullsec regions.

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Fleshgrind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2016-12-07 17:32:27 UTC
32% is not a tweak. 5-10% is a tweak. I dont even think you guys have enough data yet to make this extreme enough adjustment.
Talk about a lack of foresight.


Just my .02
Ted McManfist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2016-12-07 17:33:39 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

Thanks!


Since you obviously have access to the data about how much mining drones have mined, can you at least clue us in as to how much ore was mined in Delve last month? The Econ report didn't account for drone mining.
Michael Oskold
Beyond Good and Evil.
#94 - 2016-12-07 17:33:50 UTC
nm Kain wrote:
"Oh please leave and don't come back. PLEASE. "

How about you grow a brain and troll something more witty? Oh.. Wait... Growing a brain requires a brain. So your kinda screwed.

"its okay we can help you with that )))"

Adversity couldn't find themselves out of a paper bag.



can't seem to find your rorquals anymore either, think we killed all of them :^)

also i hear buying maze locations is a good investment, especially when there are baddies in local. can you c/d this?
Jean-Luc II
Doomheim
#95 - 2016-12-07 17:34:53 UTC
nm Kain wrote:
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.

My drones currently mine 1340m3, with the nerf that's 911m3, times that by 5, thats 6700m3 to 4555m3. Way to go to kill the mining community. We spend billions, are sitting ducks for 5 minutes and this isn't good enough?

I swear. I feel like quitting.

That's how angry I am. And they announce this days after I plex my accounts. Seriously considering not plexing my accounts after christmas.

Yeah. Me and a load of people are not happy.


I'm with you man and so are other miners I've spoken to who have invested big time into this. It baffles me why folks would insult you for saying how you feel about this. People have every right to feel angry about this. We are being asked to become a sitting duck for 5 mins and this is the result:

https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/

Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
#96 - 2016-12-07 17:35:16 UTC
michael chasseur wrote:
hisec wins again


More like nullsec continues to win, its just winning by a factor of 10 instead of a factor of 15

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exiik Shardani
Imperial Spacedrill and Logistics
#97 - 2016-12-07 17:36:31 UTC
well so my ratting set up is:

2,5b carrier with 150m bounty/hour (with align there is pretty low chance to catch me)
100m afk VNI with 50-60m bounty/hour
100m afk VNI with 50-60m bounty/hour

=2,7b -> 11hours of ratting to replace it ! (and I do not count loot from MTUs)

what about mining setup with 3x chars?
2,4b rorq hull + 400m fit + 5x 1,2b excavators => 200m ore hour with siege (and no chance escape?)
200m skiff with 20m ore/hour
200m skiff with 20m ore/hour

=9,2b -> 38hours of STATIC mining (and you even risk most of your compressed ore in cargo)


Am I wrong with numbers? miners still have hard work....

sry for my English :-(
nm Kain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2016-12-07 17:39:05 UTC
Jean-Luc II wrote:
nm Kain wrote:
It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.

My drones currently mine 1340m3, with the nerf that's 911m3, times that by 5, thats 6700m3 to 4555m3. Way to go to kill the mining community. We spend billions, are sitting ducks for 5 minutes and this isn't good enough?

I swear. I feel like quitting.

That's how angry I am. And they announce this days after I plex my accounts. Seriously considering not plexing my accounts after christmas.

Yeah. Me and a load of people are not happy.


I'm with you man and so are other miners I've spoken to who have invested big time into this. It baffles me why folks would insult you for saying how you feel about this. People have every right to feel angry about this. We are being asked to become a sitting duck for 5 mins and this is the result:

https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/



It's because they cannot have an intelligent conversation. Trolls will be trolls.
VCBee 2fast2furious
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2016-12-07 17:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: VCBee 2fast2furious
Having talked for years about wanting to increase the self sufficiency of nullsec, CCP actually takes a step towards that goal with the Excavator Rorqual.

And then Fozzie shows up and is like 'nah we can't have that, gonna nerf the hell out it'.

Ell oh ell.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#100 - 2016-12-07 17:41:04 UTC
One quick note for people

Quote:
Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components


Should drop the price for the excavator drones. So you shouldn't have to worry about the 10 billion isk rorqs. Because that won't be the eventual price.

The elite drone AI's are currently selling at 12 million. Before the requirement was announced, they were pretty close to worthless. A higher drop rate should drop it.

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