Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, it imposes a cost for imprudence.

Haha, so cute.

Quoting Fozzie like he has a clue about anything to do with hauling.

You got it almost right. That first line should have been:

'You are a moron'

@Cicirus, here's the way to use a blockade runner properly:

1. setup instadock bookmark at destination
2. setup instaundock bookmark at starting station
3. get in BR and load it
4. undock and warp to instaundock. Cloak in warp
5. warp and jump gate
6. select next gate
7. Press 'D' press 'F1'
8. Repeat 6 and 7 until arrive at final system
9. Warp to instadock, cloak, press Autopilot

At no point is the BR scannable, lockable or in other way in danger.

That is, being unscannable is a completely redundant and unnecessary bonus, because all of the safety and inability to scan is provided by the cloak.

However, for those people that don't use a BR properly, and who sit on a station or gate uncloaked, the scan immunity actually puts them at greater risk of being ganked, not less.

There was no need to come here whinging and whining, shedding tears everywhere about mean old gankers. Those here that gank (including the OP) wouldn't gain anymore advantage from this than those of us that haul cargo.

The net outcome of a change would be greater safety for incompetent pilots who wouldn't be randomly ganked while empty.

"However, for those people that don't use a BR properly, and who sit on a station or gate uncloaked, the scan immunity actually puts them at greater risk of being ganked, not less"

You can't fix some folks....you do realize this don't you, EVE is a place where mistakes and dumb blunders have consequences.


"I use these things to transport several billion in probes, I used to be able to leave it uncloaked on a gate when it was empty now I cant because idiots like you went and whined to CCP who then made the ganks randomised"

And don't get me started with this, you leave an industrial (weak), ship that a favorite of people looking for lulz sitting at a jump gate or station, empty or otherwise, scannable or not you are asking to be popped...because this IS eve no?




I really can't believe you 2, are you 2 actually posting this, you do realize what your posting and using derogatory terms towards others...I'm face palming

It used to be that you could do this, you still can with every other hauler and be safe. These "evil indiscriminate gankers that shoot everything" didn't really exist before CCP forced ganking into a corner with changes like this that make zero sense.



You reap what you sow. Don't want me calling you an idiot? Then don't post like Cicirus just did.

Honestly I don't think that removing the cargo scan immunity changes anything in either direction. Even if you were to remove the scan immunity, what changes? That people might stop for a few seconds, scan, copy, paste, analyze the EvEpraisal report, then decide?

Blockade Runners are fast and cloaky. Someone's going to shoot an uncloaked one because it might cloak at any second. Even if it doesn't, it's only two seconds to warping away and on the other side of the star system before you can align to chase it. You don't have time to think about it.

Yes, there's a case to be made about if the guy is autopiloting...but people who autopilot get ganked frequently regardless. Empty shuttles and empty pods especially. So, what changes if it's a BR that can be scanned? There's still a good chance someone will pop it regardless, and especially because it's an expensive ship.

Pointing out that the bonus is redundant is okay. But I can't see anything changing if it were removed either.

It means ganks are random as opposed to targeted. This means gankers are just gambling rather than putting in the time and effort to scan these ships to see if they are viable targets. This also means every blockade runner is now put at more risk even if you have no cargo.

Both gankers and haulers got nerfed with this change.

Nah.

The scan immunity works for exactly the role the ship is intended to have. The cloak and speed make it good at running camps in low/null, but they don't make it remarkably better at running camps in hisec.

And a hisec camp isn't about catching a ship. It's about risk assessment.

Because anyone who really cares to can instantly lock and bump everything that comes through a gate easily long enough to scan, and hisec gates are some of the most heavily travelled with the greatest amount of cargo, it makes perfect sense that the blockade runner, a ship class designed around getting through blockades, has an innate defense against actions it would be stupid to have CONCORD respond to, like locking transport to have a peek while bumping that transport.

It pays for that advantage by having horrible tank and horrible cargo capacity, so IMO it is a fair tradeoff. It has tools to get through common camps in all areas of space, either by piloting, stealth, or simply being impossible to do the math on.

With the unscan role it is catching the ship. We seem to know different gankers/ganker styles.

Ones I know shoot first, ask questions later. Besides BR other ships are liked for "stealth" or speed. ye old plex carrying noob ship. these have decent align times. best to just target and kill them. Sometimes you get lucky. Like 2-3 weeks ago. Was waiting for an AT kb post to see what was on someones flagsheep (ccp antiquarian gets mod props for that misspeak...lol). This alliance was looking to have a bad week. Lost their flagsheep and as I saw thier alliance KB...they lost a plex carrying noob ship. 16+ billion iirc.

These are the empire gankers I know, some personally. They see noob ship, inty, they see SB, they see transport ship. They go we got little time to do anything with these ships. They drop them.....

Basically this bonus is contentious. I will grant for some the no scan works out well. Its hidden an expensive load. However I also see Baltec and others stances as its also made the more aggressive gankers change meta. they kill you because they have to in those precious seconds they have.

This change made it bad for Br pilots with empty ships. Or ships with "crap". I take my expensive stuff to Jita. I haul back cheap crap like t2 ammo. I'd rather be scannable. If lazy or sloppy...I deserver to die on the way to Jita. My issue is in the way back they opt to kill me because I can't be scanned. Whats he got they go. And I could die for maybe 10 mil in t2 ammo.

If its not profitable, gankers will eventually stop. No one should be flying an unscannable ship if it costs them more than 1% of their isk to lose it.




Further to the point, BRs are unhappy about getting ganked and losign an expensive ship, then what does it HELP to remove the unscannable?

if you remove it, people will still randomly gank BRs because of the cost of losing it, if it outweighs the cost of ganking it, even empty. So what changes? Nothing.