EVE General Discussion

And should always be part of the game.

Moving between two points in HS, mechanics wise, is boring as **** (once the initial impressions where off). It is also simple. Select gate, click warp to and jump, rinse and repeat until you get to your destination. Ganking makes a boring and simple process both more complex and interesting.

Deny this if you want. Sneer about how this is low brow content creation, but it is indisputably making the simple and more more complex and interesting.

As for making war decs more interesting, that is a pipe dream IMO. On one side you got people who want to PvP and on the other side people who do not want to PvP at all. There is no way to make those two disjoint sets overlap, IMO. We'd probably be better off just admitting this and moving on to other issue.

You know for a guy who gets so upset with cheap shots and insults you have to be the biggest passive aggressive weenie on the forums.

My point was that the the intersection of the two sets is the empty set. There are those who are fine with PvP and there are those who are not. When a group that is fine with PvP war decs a group that is not, there is nothing you can do to get the latter group to engage in PvP because they do not like it.

Lets point out what you said:



Because you see no intersection between two groups in the player base, you say don't bother, notice here that I did not personally attack you, I attacked your point not to bother doing anything to make war decs more interesting because there was no intersection of two extreme viewpoints. I quite rightly pointed out that there is a load of people in between those two points of view that do intersect and they want a better war dec system.

That you once again go into personal attacks because I pick you up on your comment is rather amusing, if I am a passive aggressive weenie to you, then I am rather happy, because people like you are cancer on the forums with your name calling and aggressive entitlement.

Emphasis on the words "DID NOT"

You are rather bad at this

For a warrior to have any purpose there needs to be evil. NPCs, rocks, haulers, miners and mission runners are not evil (the first is entirely passive, the second is monumentally stupid, and the other three often struggle to be distinguishable from the first two). The ganker is the only recognizable evil that the current system can generate. It is completely wrong for anyone that wants to be a hero in this game to be trying to convince CCP to impact ganking further.

I've played as the angry skiff miner in a gang of mixed barges, you mine whilst you wait for your content to turn up (which is the great beauty of the ship), the issue is that there is just not nearly enough gankers to go around, and like the angry bull buffalo waiting to toss a lion 30 yards, it can be a disappointment when you wait like 3 weeks and then it turns out to be one underfed scrawny little catalyst that isn't part of a pride and runs away when it sees your horns.

There is no real reason for miners to not associate, because they get boosts, they can share intel, they can arrange market hauls and buys and if you get 20 miners together, you are bound to have one or two that are willing to mine in skiffs and fly -towards- trouble since its a flying brick. The most important thing is that they do not need to incorporate to do this, and therefore they do not need to risk wardecs.

I've lived in null. This "counter" point has been losing arguments for 10 years, its time to come up with a better one.

Observation #1 - I rented a system, therefore I had a pressing need to keep PVE neutrals under control, therefore I had a need to PVP to make PVE neutrals chose other systems in my pipe, or even better, other pipes. This was an effective basic goad to make me personally PVP. As you also know, PVP in null requires preperation, you need to have the ships that are effective counters to your targets, on hand, which means you need to select them in advance, buy them, haul them, fit them, place them in a pos or other handy locations ready to use and then field them quickly at the appropriate time before the opportunity passes.

Observation #2 - PVP is fun when you win, and almost everyone is happy to PVP if they have a realistic chance of winning, and I thoroughly enjoyed the limited PVP I did, because I did it generally on my terms and because it was a clear net benefit to my bottom line when I did. I also enjoyed baiting the traps even if it lead to horribly lopsided fights in my favour.

I don't care what happens to an afk barge pilot and never will, and IMO CCP needs to consider whether a clearer net benefit needs to accrue to the winners of PVP in highsec in terms of PVE content. The problem with wardecs is it just works out in practice to be denial of access to space at all for a week, which is the wrong outcome, and the benefit for the other side is greenery on a killboard, which is also not really a great ingame outcome. The problem with mining is its such a dull task, and more thinking doesn't greatly increase the isk/hr.

Unlike mining, the shinies in ded sites are at least regularly contested, even if the contests are often passive-aggressive racing or thieving.

Piracy is done on shipping and this shipping only exists in highsec.

Okay, as per my post:

Set A: Those who are fine with PvP. They can be strictly PvP oriented, or they might do an array of things, including PvP.
Set B: Those who do not like PvP at all.

Please tell us who is in between these two sets?

Baby steps I guess.

How does someone get bullied on a video game they can turn off? And how do people in a video games with guns everywhere not "have the means to protect themselves"?

What happens is that people shipping stuff in high sec have lots of isk (evidenced by the fact that they can afford a freighter and to put stuff in one). The real enemy is their greedy, rather than spending the isk to protect themselves, and/or making friends, they complain about 'bullies'.

If the people complaining would instead spend their time teaching people how to be safe, the gankers would wither on the vine. they only exist because stupid people exist.

I suggested education as a remedy earlier in the thread, an antiganker appeared to take great offence to the fact that somebody who doesn't engage in PvP if they can get away with it, and so far I have, should have an opinion.

Apparently I'm a worthless bigmouth who does nothing ingame, but I also wield enough influence to have made it on to the Goons/CODE. do not gank list.