Crime & Punishment

The fact that you inserted your foot so far into your mouth you're shitting shoe leather is in the past too. And I'm certain you're doomed to repeat that as well.

Mark...you seem angry..do you need a hug?

Oh, let me introduce you to my friend Dom. He's just doing what he does. Hes concearned with things like relevance vs irrelevance and sodium content and that sort of thing. Now that hes stepped on his you know what, and been chastised for it, he will probably be back in here soon calling for the thread to get back on topic.

Ok, back on topic.

Here's a perfect example of what I mean.

I have a corp with 21 members. All but 3 of us are absolute noobs (or spy alts, you just never know). Definitely low hanging fruit as the OP puts it.

1 has already quit the corp as a result of our Marmite wardec. 1 who was waiting to join, gave up, went to another corp. As for the other 16 'active' members... I've been the only corp member logged on for longer than 15 minutes in the past 3 days.

Not once in the past 5 days have I seen a member of Marmite either in my local or while running around with my alt.

Now mind you... this is not me whining. I'm old enough and been playing long enough, I know how this all works and I warned every noob that joined it wasn't IF we got wardec'd, it was WHEN. But this isn't really a war. If it were someone who were pissed at me for a valid reason and I thot my reasons justified, I'd be rallying my guys, putting them in logi's, undocking and fighting this thing out. Instead, this is just labeling someone as a high-sec target on the random chance they stumble into a gate camp. How do I know this? Marmite hasn't bothered to contact me in the least. If someone had hired them, there's a pretty good chance they'd want me to know why. If nothing else, a note demanding ransom. No, when you wardec 250 high sec corps like Vendetta, it's not about being a mercenary or even a pirate. It's an attempt sit in the safely of high sec with all the benefits of NBSI null.

The net result of all this is, I have 16 noobs who's first experience with EVE war... is to not even bother to log into the game. So I can't honestly see how this makes them want to keep playing. My first war was over a can flipper. And that war, I fought tooth and nail. It was great for teambuilding, morale and when we got a kill, it was something to celebrate. This one. When you're fighting someone who has no rhyme or reason other than to get a killmail and maybe, if they're real lucky, some dumbass in a freighter, then there's no point. There is no resolution, no justice served, no defending your honor... it's just pointless.

And if this is what mercs have had to resort to in order to have fun or make a few isk, then I can't see how it benefits them or CCP in the long run. Do alliances like Vendetta and Marmite actually think I'll contact them when I do need their services? No, I want mercenaries, not unreliable griefers who's only mission is to massage their ego by killing someone they don't even know. Does CCP think that a noobs first experience with war should be to... just not even log into the game because it's a pointless war?

As far as I'm concerned, both mercs and wardec's are broken systems and both players and CCP are on the losing end of it.

Is it really unjustified when the line between the two is so transparent one could argue whether or not there is even a distinction?

Lets look at your group for example, almost 100 active wardecs. That must really keep you guys hoppin considering they removed the watchlist feature. I cant imagine having to keep that many paying customers happy. You got the goons in there too. A shame you cant talk about your clients, it would probably be a pretty entertaining story. Despite the fact that the goons just got their asses handed to them in a major nullsec war, someone was still so grr-goons that they just had to pay you guys to dec-em too.

Now lets be realistic for a minute, I dont think anybodys buying the fact that Archetype and any of the other well known merc outfits have 100+ legitimate contracts out at any given time. I guess we'll never know though will we, given the confidential nature of the buisness.

I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of the hi-sec merc community is limited, but in this case I think im singularly qualified to reply to Kaely's post considering I was under a wardec from her organization recently. I too am fond of the old cliche 'its not personal its just buisness'. I find that a bit disingenuos coming from Kaely due to her throwing a dec at me for what basically amounts to me trash talking her friends in local. If thats not personal then what is? Or did someone really throw money at you guys to dec me for two weeks? I guess well never know, confidentiality and all that. How convenient that must be.

I think kaely needs to consider that the whole point of this thread is the Devils Warriors closing shop because they dont want to become what Kaelys group is and was long before ccp took the watchlist away.

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I'M DUMB

We used to **** in the woods too.

#thegoodolddays #wheniwasaboy #cholera #buboes #yawn

Interesting that I responed to your post with valid arguements and counterpoints and you responded to mine with petty jabs. Must have hit a little close to home with some of my criticisms of your esteemed group. Sorry bout that, have a little HTFU to put in your coffee, help take the edge off.

Thanks though for hammering home one of the points I made in an indirect way. Its because of how unimportant I am,that illustrates how bogus your ' its not personal its just buisness' arguement is. Somehow a virtual space nobody like me managed to catch a dec from the mighty Archetype.

Now Kaely, if you cant resist the urge to reply,remember to post constructivley and try to keep it out of the dirt.

Didn't you get handled pretty severely already in this thread?
Back for more eh?
Best of luck to you.

Well, not for a few weeks at least. As I get older I'm finding it increasingly difficult to dig holes.