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So long, and thanks for all the isk

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Fly Fearless
#181 - 2016-06-15 16:18:36 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Lord Razpataz wrote:


It does'nt change the fact that CCP killed an emergent gameplay.

Let me ask, would that have been a solution when Fozzie sov came out and everyone in 0.0 was bitching about troll ceptors?
Just do something else? Give up?


Killing people in highsec isn't 'emergent gameplay', it's killing people in Highsec.

Sorry that a good change towards watch lists, that kills the opportunity for fights is preventing you from killing mission runners. You said the effort wasn't worth it anymore, I just suggested trying something else.

if
Quote:
Killing people in highsec isn't '[i]emergent gameplay

then neither is killing in any other area of space hahaaha

weren't you PL guys hunting supercaps and titans with the watchlist btw? Big smile

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#182 - 2016-06-15 16:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Dom Arkaral wrote:
weren't you PL guys hunting supercaps and titans with the watchlist btw? Big smile


Yes. People also had free intel on if/when our supers or titans had logged in as well.

I'm not sure you understand what 'emergent gameplay' means.
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#183 - 2016-06-15 16:31:20 UTC
Xolve wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what 'emergent gameplay' means.

Well.. explain it to us then. Roll
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#184 - 2016-06-15 17:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Xolve wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what 'emergent gameplay' means.

Well.. explain it to us then. Roll


Here you go. Roll

In the context of EVE, relying on a watchlist for free intel and running locates is just using mechanics in favor of your gameplay- Emergent Gameplay in this case would be things like HyperDunking, POS Bowling, Sun Bounces, etc. where you use the game's mechanics to produce an effect not exactly intended for those mechanics. I mean CCP is... questionable at times at understanding their own game rulesets so v0v.

However, there's still a dozen things people will pay you to do in HighSec (since you're so adamant on staying there)- just remember that they're hiring YOU to do tedious and often boring things and your return is a negotiated payment. If potential clients are questioning your prices, maybe it's on you to make yourself more marketable.
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#185 - 2016-06-15 17:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Razpataz
Xolve wrote:
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Xolve wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what 'emergent gameplay' means.

Well.. explain it to us then. Roll


Here you go. Roll

But have you read the results?

First hit:
"Emergent gameplay refers to complex situations in video games, board games, or table top role-playing games that emerge from the interaction of relatively simple game mechanics"

"Simple game mechanics", would in this case be the watchlist, right?

Edit: I see you added to your post..
Your examples would be more "Unintentional emergence"..

"Intentional emergence occurs when some creative uses of the game are intended by the game designers"
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#186 - 2016-06-15 17:42:53 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Your examples would be more "Unintentional emergence"..

"Intentional emergence occurs when some creative uses of the game are intended by the game designers"


I stand corrected, however- semantics over a gameplay definition aren't really going to help you adapt to the current circumstances.
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#187 - 2016-06-15 17:48:58 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Your examples would be more "Unintentional emergence"..

"Intentional emergence occurs when some creative uses of the game are intended by the game designers"


I stand corrected, however- semantics over a gameplay definition aren't really going to help you adapt to the current circumstances.


Well.. to be fair, you started the talk about gameplay definition. Roll
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#188 - 2016-06-17 17:25:46 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:


Lets see..
I've tried the eve forums, twitter and even personal messages on slack with no luck.
Havent touched reddit tho, but feel like thats no point with the downvoting thing.

What to do next? Give up?
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Badman Lasermouse
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps
#189 - 2016-06-17 18:40:53 UTC
In high sec when the care-bears cried about wardecs we were to first to scream "Adapt or die".

So do it, you may have to leave the old comfort zone but many have and still continue to be successful.

-Badman

Argus Enigmatus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#190 - 2016-06-17 22:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Enigmatus
Xolve wrote:
Lord Razpataz wrote:
Xolve wrote:
I'm not sure you understand what 'emergent gameplay' means.

Well.. explain it to us then. Roll


[However, there's still a dozen things people will pay you to do in HighSec (since you're so adamant on staying there)- just remember that they're hiring YOU to do tedious and often boring things and your return is a negotiated payment. If potential clients are questioning your prices, maybe it's on you to make yourself more marketable.


Well they woud have more options to do things in high Sec...

But with every other so called merc alliance in eve on the own blue list....

in my eyes

its their own fault that they dont get more Work

at the end they all arnt available for porper work cause o no but your called target is on the blue list..
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#191 - 2016-06-17 22:18:57 UTC
We arent getting work because we arent soliciting for any numbnuts.
Argus Enigmatus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2016-06-17 22:31:44 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin

taht was not direceted at you

i highly respect that you took the way of moving on since there is no viable work ...

and you are not willing to be a griefer , ganker what else...

what earns my highest respect..


it is just a short overview about the rest of the so called merc's

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#193 - 2016-06-17 22:34:30 UTC
Valkin Mordirc
#194 - 2016-06-17 22:35:57 UTC
Argus Enigmatus wrote:


griefer




lol
#DeleteTheWeak
Mortlake
Somalian Coast Guard Authority
#195 - 2016-06-17 22:45:03 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Argus Enigmatus wrote:


griefer



lol


The mere thought of ganking someone makes us very sad. Isn't that right Ralph?

It's not something we've ever considered.

****ing griefers.



Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

Mortlake
Somalian Coast Guard Authority
#196 - 2016-06-17 22:46:41 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
We arent getting work because we arent soliciting for any numbnuts.


Well, he says that, but I regularly come home from the pub to find his fishnet clad leg waving suggestively out of a porthole.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#197 - 2016-06-17 22:48:24 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Argus Enigmatus wrote:


griefer



lol


The mere thought of ganking someone makes us very sad. Isn't that right Ralph?

It's not something we've ever considered.

****ing griefers.




Down with that sort of thing!
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#198 - 2016-07-01 16:33:36 UTC
Though the answer might not be what you are looking for, Team Five 0 have replied to the original feedback thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550198#post6550198

CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0

@CCP_Lebowski

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#199 - 2016-07-01 16:46:35 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Though the answer might not be what you are looking for, Team Five 0 have replied to the original feedback thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550198#post6550198




Well there you go.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#200 - 2016-07-01 16:48:04 UTC
Argus Enigmatus wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin

taht was not direceted at you

i highly respect that you took the way of moving on since there is no viable work ...

and you are not willing to be a griefer , ganker what else...

what earns my highest respect..


it is just a short overview about the rest of the so called merc's




Ralph is going to peddle radioactive baby food in Jita and he's going to do it in a Kestrel.

That's my best guess.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!