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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2541 - 2012-01-13 22:48:04 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. Roll


You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed.

I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE.


Crucible was an awesome much overdue patch.

Issler


But, but, it added content for the Meaningful Ones: griefers (T3 BC) and nullsec overlords (POCOs)!!.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2542 - 2012-01-13 22:59:24 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.


Sucks for you maybe.

That's the problem with an entitlement mentality. You are so engrossed with what you want and expect, you forget other people might be satisfied even though you are convinced you are somehow in the "majority".

Take a break, and play something else. You don't have to wait until your sub(s) expire to do it. FFS, some of you act like EVE is the only thing going on in your life, and if so.....damn.

Glad to see I wasn't wrong about people still bitching that the answers they got (3x now) were insufficient and are going to continue to complain they are still being ignored.








☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2543 - 2012-01-13 23:08:08 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.


Sucks for you maybe.

That's the problem with an entitlement mentality. You are so engrossed with what you want and expect, you forget other people might be satisfied even though you are convinced you are somehow in the "majority".

Take a break, and play something else. You don't have to wait until your sub(s) expire to do it. FFS, some of you act like EVE is the only thing going on in your life, and if so.....damn.

Glad to see I wasn't wrong about people still bitching that the answers they got (3x now) were insufficient and are going to continue to complain they are still being ignored.



Houm, I have been voicing my disappointment and asking for alternatives since the Incarna disaster. You get your timeline wrong. Roll

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#2544 - 2012-01-14 01:59:16 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. Roll


You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed.

I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE.


You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other.

Crucible and the plans for 2012 are on top of three years of nothing. What interests me of the game is exactly the same it was in 2008. I have tried many things and none has provided me a reason to keep playing. So I don't play any longer and i don't pay any longer.

And this is CCP's fault as they are forcing people into certain gameplay and ignoring the rest. Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.

What else is left? Mining is a waste of time. PI was a PITA even before POCOs handed out the business to nullsec overlords. PvP is not fun. industry and trade don't interest me. Nullsec is a chore suit to wannabe anonymous serfs. WH... maybe i give that a try if I ever come back.

But the point is, now CCP is listening to nullsec only and ignores everyone else. They think that nullsec is why people should play this game.

So people like me got nothing new to do for 3 years. Nothing new to do with Crucible. Nothing new to do all the whole 2012.

Thus my signature.

And after Fanfest, my alt will be cancelled too in time to expire in late April.



i wonder why people like yourself feel the need to whine about why they are now bored with EVE and are leaving or have quit.
FFS you've never even flown or worked a WH.
we are not the complaints department, petition it.
**** off already, we don't need to hear why you are bored or that you are leaving.

btw: i have sigs on, i saw your pityful sig, again, i care NOT that you are leaving, in my eyes, one less whining **** to worry about, you bring nothing to the table except your whining **** attitude.
nothing you say or your leaving is changing anything in EVE.

nothing positive about you, now away with you and play WOW, or perhaps SWTOR

i'm sure you'll be back in april for another cry on you alt.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2545 - 2012-01-14 04:54:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


You should turn on signatures, so you could read how this account will expire in less than 24 hours. Roll


You still strike me as an idiot, and that's just based off your sig. One expansion did nothing for you (which I highly doubt and if it didn't it is likely nobodies fault but your own) so you quit? That's a clear indication of a loser if there ever was one. You won't be missed.

I guess you just can't please em all CCP. Crucible was a great expansion...EvE only gets better with each passing year. I hope EvE survives for a long time to come. I expect to die an old man playing EvE.


You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other.

Crucible and the plans for 2012 are on top of three years of nothing. What interests me of the game is exactly the same it was in 2008. I have tried many things and none has provided me a reason to keep playing. So I don't play any longer and i don't pay any longer.

And this is CCP's fault as they are forcing people into certain gameplay and ignoring the rest. Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans.

What else is left? Mining is a waste of time. PI was a PITA even before POCOs handed out the business to nullsec overlords. PvP is not fun. industry and trade don't interest me. Nullsec is a chore suit to wannabe anonymous serfs. WH... maybe i give that a try if I ever come back.

But the point is, now CCP is listening to nullsec only and ignores everyone else. They think that nullsec is why people should play this game.

So people like me got nothing new to do for 3 years. Nothing new to do with Crucible. Nothing new to do all the whole 2012.

Thus my signature.

And after Fanfest, my alt will be cancelled too in time to expire in late April.

Doing a personal attack on Ishtanchuk Fazmarai is unwarranted.

I agree with Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on a few topics. Mainly the very first opening sentence. - You shouldn't judge people based on insufficent information. But alas!, this is internet and everyone is entitled to imagine he's superior to each other. -

As for the past 3 years adding no solo game play content, I disagree. Exploration is probably the largest solo game play content that's been added followed next by Epic Arcs.

Also let's not forget about Cosmos missions. Even though it's not new and still requires some work (finish / fix content), it's a nice change of pace compared to regular missions. Cosmos missions have a good storyline plot, give out unique items and the mission sites have excellent eye candy.

Combining Exploration, Epic Arcs and Cosmos missions should provide plenty of solo game play content.

However, I mostly have the same sentiment as Ishtanchuk Fazmarai about Crucible. I too also feel it didn't offer much game play content but I'm not going to rage quit over it.

The majority of content provided in Crucible was mainly bug fixes, visual enhancements and ship balancing which is expected in a patch, not a major expansion.
The enhanced graphics (Ship skins, Trails, Nebulas, etc) could also be considered as a fix of sorts, also expected in a patch.
Time Dilation is another type of fix which addresses lag in large scale battles and would be expected in a patch.

A couple of Tech 2 modules and Tech 3 ships added to the game is not something I would consider as new game play content.
The 3 Racial Captains Quarters was just a variation of existing content already in-game and didn't add any new game play content.

Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.

Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2546 - 2012-01-14 10:11:22 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
(...)
Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.

Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.



For one, I am not ragequitting. There is no "rage" in waiting for 6 months before actually quiting. Smile

The Incarna disaster came in when i already was aware that my last ingame goal (the last one in a series of goals, and certainly not what i had in mind when I created Ishtanchuk) would be finished sometime around August and then i would be essentilaly left without a reason to play. It's January (!!) and i eventually cancelled my subscription after waiting for months wether events took a positive turn or stayed on a course to nowhere.

So i am leaving because i don't have a reason to play. Maybe in the future CCP will do something that interests me, or i may give a try to something i don't consider now, but that's not rage quitting.

Oh, of course i am making a bit of drama about it. First because I feel sad, and second because it's the better carthesian aproach to dealing with an absolute power: Nothing I do will change CCP, but if something had a slight chance to influence, it would be producing written evidence on why CCP should listen to players like me. Because we stop paying them.

And, IMO, CCP is losing much more people who leave in silence out of meaningless to play, than they lost in a ragequit over Incarna. Incarna was an open wound, but the internal hemorhage of people who under no cicrcunstance will move to the nullsec endgame and lack any other endgame keeps going on. Hey, in my opinion.Blink

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2547 - 2012-01-14 11:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuko Nuki
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. Now it's been delayed again after a failed money grab with Incarna so there's no shame in unsubbing.

Most people don't know or remember but WiS has been asked for, for years and thousands of ideas (example) have been put forward on the old forums. Occupy FiS protesters Roll acting as if it's some new concept, or that it's not something that people may be rightfully upset about really baffle me.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2548 - 2012-01-14 13:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.


^^citation needed.

Xuko Nuki wrote:
Occupy FiS protesters


LOL, so you are saying that the people who protested in jita and other trade hubs after Incarna were doing so because of a corrupt financial industry and income inequality in EVE? Really? Or more likely you are just using that term inappropriately because you think it has a negative connotation.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2549 - 2012-01-14 13:56:08 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.


^^citation needed.




I don't think you know how those work.


...


I did link an old thread which you haven't seen before.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2550 - 2012-01-14 13:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.


^^citation needed.




I don't think you know how those work.


So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2551 - 2012-01-14 14:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuko Nuki
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.


^^citation needed.




I don't think you know how those work.


So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline?


Playing a little gumshoe undergrad or something?

What the **** are you even talking about.

Here read this fury doc http://eve-search.com/thread/490722-0/page/1

o/
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2552 - 2012-01-14 14:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting.


^^citation needed.




I don't think you know how those work.


So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline?


Playing a little gumshoe undergrad or something?

What the **** are you even talking about.


You are telling us that over the last 6 years lots of people (players) have been quitting over WIS not being delivered and/or because CCP lied about it to retain subs. I am asking you where exactly you got your information. In addition, since you seem to think CCP has been promising WIS (ambulation) for 6 or so years, I asked for evidence from at least 3 years ago (2008-2009) where players were quitting because CCP has failed to deliver on it or because CCP lied all along about their intentions.

Please link directly to your evidence, and not the first page of a 50+ page thread where no such quitting is occurring.

I can probably find some smaller words to use if you are still having difficulties.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Aquila Draco
#2553 - 2012-01-14 18:00:19 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
(...)
Overall I wasn't really impressed with the expansion but it definitely doesn't provide a reason to quit. There's still lot's of content available for solo game play.

Nobody knows exactly what will be in the next expansion. Hopefully some new game play content will be added and even if it's just more fixes and enhancements, it'll still be good.



For one, I am not ragequitting. There is no "rage" in waiting for 6 months before actually quiting. Smile

The Incarna disaster came in when i already was aware that my last ingame goal (the last one in a series of goals, and certainly not what i had in mind when I created Ishtanchuk) would be finished sometime around August and then i would be essentilaly left without a reason to play. It's January (!!) and i eventually cancelled my subscription after waiting for months wether events took a positive turn or stayed on a course to nowhere.

So i am leaving because i don't have a reason to play. Maybe in the future CCP will do something that interests me, or i may give a try to something i don't consider now, but that's not rage quitting.

Oh, of course i am making a bit of drama about it. First because I feel sad, and second because it's the better carthesian aproach to dealing with an absolute power: Nothing I do will change CCP, but if something had a slight chance to influence, it would be producing written evidence on why CCP should listen to players like me. Because we stop paying them.

And, IMO, CCP is losing much more people who leave in silence out of meaningless to play, than they lost in a ragequit over Incarna. Incarna was an open wound, but the internal hemorhage of people who under no cicrcunstance will move to the nullsec endgame and lack any other endgame keeps going on. Hey, in my opinion.Blink


I am sorry that we loose you...
One more person gone because of CCPs lies and false promises.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#2554 - 2012-01-16 00:54:21 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
[..] It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Hmm, well, I don't know about other folks, but I care about as much about those visual additions as I did about the racial CQ's: not much at all. So I really hope that that is not what you think we will enjoy.
What is lacking in Incarna is gameplay and interaction. No amount of furniture/clothes will change that.

I get the idea that you (CCP) for some reason are back to the drawing board, as if a lot of the ideas you've had for this are no good anymore.
I wonder what you guys think was wrong with Incarna as you had intended to release it this winter, and why. Was it technical issues? Did you think the players wouldn't like the Incarna features because of the uproar last summer? What will be done differently?
I'm really worried CCP is learning the wrong lessons, and should really communicate with the players about this. I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.

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Pandemic Horde
#2555 - 2012-01-16 03:24:41 UTC
Che Biko wrote:


I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.


You missed the memo that WiS is on ice?

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#2556 - 2012-01-16 03:40:52 UTC
Che Biko wrote:

I'm really worried CCP is learning the wrong lessons, and should really communicate with the players about this. I suggest publishing a devblog and reading the comments, or possibly a survey if you are not sure about what people want to see in WiS.


Yes, I agree that it would be good if CCP were to make an official statement on the future of WiS in response to this thread. CCP Guard's comments are appreciated, but it would be great to get some official details in the form of a dev blog.

Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2557 - 2012-01-16 03:45:41 UTC
Flamespar wrote:


Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step.


If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2558 - 2012-01-16 03:58:33 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.


It's been done. At length. And is part of the reason why players are so WTF when CCP says they don't know what to do with WiS. As far as we are concerned, there are heaps of ideas out there. The main problem with the features and ideas forum is that they are rather ad-hoc method, and any pro-Incarna posts tends to get attacked by trolls.

It might be useful gathering all of those ideas together though into a single list.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2559 - 2012-01-16 08:47:22 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


You are telling us that over the last 6 years lots of people (players) have been quitting over WIS not being delivered and/or because CCP lied about it to retain subs. I am asking you where exactly you got your information. In addition, since you seem to think CCP has been promising WIS (ambulation) for 6 or so years, I asked for evidence from at least 3 years ago (2008-2009) where players were quitting because CCP has failed to deliver on it or because CCP lied all along about their intentions.

Please link directly to your evidence, and not the first page of a 50+ page thread where no such quitting is occurring.

I can probably find some smaller words to use if you are still having difficulties.


The absence of evidence of not the evidence of absence.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2560 - 2012-01-16 14:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Flamespar wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved.


It's been done. At length. And is part of the reason why players are so WTF when CCP says they don't know what to do with WiS. As far as we are concerned, there are heaps of ideas out there. The main problem with the features and ideas forum is that they are rather ad-hoc method, and any pro-Incarna posts tends to get attacked by trolls.

It might be useful gathering all of those ideas together though into a single list.


It would be good that there was a small team devoted to gathering player feedback on WiS as a foundation to actually having development effort thrown into WiS.

That, or either CCP deciding that WiS has always been, is now and will always be vaporware, and so in case that's what keep people hooked, they should just go find something else or unsuscribe and save themselves feeling cheated/disappointed each three years. Wasn't WiS, wasn't Ambulation, hasn't been Incarna... that's an awful record for something you really want to implement. What?

But then maybe Incarna was a byproduct of WoD. Question

And maybe CCP can only develop FiS or WiS/WoD but not both together (DUST development, IMO, is not really compatible/tradeable/exchangeable with EVE/WoD development).

And maybe developing FiS will never allow CCP to develop WiS w/o sacrificing too much playerbase...