EVE General Discussion

Just for the record, I generally don't follow that kind of drama, but:
- we had at least 1 attempt to get people fired from their RL work for in game/forum events and a lot of drama following that, with RL information of different parties being shared on the forum (BOB and Kugutsumen)
- hacking of servers (again Kugutsumen for several groups)
- inciting people to suicide.
I am sure I have missed several well know events.

So sharing personal data with a shifting pool of directors and security experts in a alliance isn't exactly a bright thing to do.



Sure,CCP is covered, but try doing some legal action against someone living on the other side of the planet on that.

-It has been mentioned in this thread, by others than me.
-It has been mentioned in other threads.
-It has been talked about on my main's Comms. (No I never post with my main in all 11 yrs I've played)


No, I will not be your little search agent,
and no I will not allow you to come on my comms to be personally informed.


The fact that you have not personally heard about it does not make it a non issue until you personally are informed. It is an issue that is only starting to surface so until it becomes more common you may only hear whispers about it.

New player vetting is a slippery slope and since some are now looking to cross that line of asking for out of game personal information,

CCP should reduce the need for them to do this by changing game design to reduce the effectiveness of spies.

We should also make sure we educate our fellow players who may not be privacy aware in the internet age or who are careless about that of the true risks involved.

I love this form of argument, which is basically:

"I'm going to make a wild claim and then not provide any evidence, but when people ask for evidence I'll claim it's their fault for not knowing."

So far, what we can confirm is that you've changed position from:

1. It's common that corps are asking for RL information during recruiting, to
2. It's an increasing trend, to
3. It's not common, but you'll here whispers of it.

All this rubbish and shifting simply shows that you really can't provide any evidence of this becoming a common thing at all, which just takes us back to the original conclusion that you are over reacting.

You haven't even verified what you've claimed, yet were so clear that it's CCPs fault, even though what you are saying is specifically not allowed under the TOS.

Some do require a non-expiring full account API, yes.

Generally, that applies to some of the bigger, more powerful groups that really do have a reason to be suspicious of spies.

Additionally, many of the more well organised Alliances use the API as a way to control access to services that the Alliance provides.

For example, the API can help forum software to check your Corp, so that the moment you leave Corp, you no longer have access to the IT services that are provided. That means someone doesn't have to manually do it, and is an efficient use of technology to take care of those things automatically.

In that case, a non-expiring full API is needed so you don't end up cut off from services that you want to use.

So depends on the Alliance and the risks that they face from actions in the metagame.

Yeah that's also true.

A non-expiring limited API is also used by some Alliances. Just depends on the individual alliance.

Oh shaddup for once!

Yeah, Lucas is kind of like a bad rash.
He does make a good argument at times, but seems to want to overwhelm you more with posts than anything else.

He is good and what he intends to do.

That's the answer every totalitarian Regime in history gave: "It's for the greater good and you have nothing to fear if you stick strictly with us." If you really want to catch awoxers you need to constantly monitor the data of all accounts. If you can really do this you should ask the NSA for a job.

Sure. Except of course it's a video game, so comparing a corporation knowing what journal transactions and assets it's members have in the game to the NSA illegally monitoring everyone is pants on head ********. If you really are worried about someone else seeing your game activities, you should really check how seriously you are taking the game.

At the end of the day, if you don't want to give out your API, you don't have to, but expect to either remain on the bottom rung of the corp like a horde member for the foreseeable future or expect to get bitten in the ass when someone else who didn't have to pass an API checks robs your corp blind.

They can see EVERYTHING you do, from assets, mails you have sent, you transactions everything.

Corps that worry about spies mainly ask for this, so they can check if you have been fraternising with the enemy, if you sent dodgy emails,or sold supers to the enemy all that type of stuff.

People are so paranoid now, that you may be a spie and infiltrate them.

You will be asked for this all the time from those type of corps, so if you want to be constantly spied on yourself by your corp (and you will be) then go ahead. However having been in those type of alliances you end up not enjoying the game because you cant even talk to people without people thinking your up to something. Eve is very paranoid that way. and i think this type of metagaming really spoils the game. personally i wish they would remove the whole public api thing