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Why does a corp want my api?

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Pivo Ace
Brave Holdings
Brave Collective
#1 - 2016-05-07 00:37:16 UTC
Hi there i am looking for a corp and in all(most) the corp they ask for my api key.

I know I can set it via my account management and although I do not understand all the options my concern is what can someone do with my api key?

Can they do anything to my account?
Can they see how I spend my isk?
Can they see my assets?

Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ?

I do not mind sharing my skills and corp history but it is no one's business what I have in my wallet or in my hangar, right?

Or am I missing something obvious?
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Dot.Inc
TRUE VINE
#2 - 2016-05-07 00:42:32 UTC
We just wanna get to know you better ;), alot better. *breathes heavily*
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-05-07 00:44:10 UTC
They can see everything about your character, they just can't touch it. Like my corp can see who I message (just not the messages themselves) and what I spend my Isk on. FULL API - not negotiable means they NEED to make sure (for one reason or another) that you're a player who's serious, sometimes a corp will get an alt and they'll mess things up.

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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2016-05-07 00:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
++ Corp recruiting in Eve Online ++

It's supposed to keep spys out of the corp, but it got a bit out of hand lately in my opinion ;)
Borat Guereen
ARRAKIS Ltd.
#5 - 2016-05-07 00:49:12 UTC
etgfrogs
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2016-05-07 01:08:05 UTC
Yes, there are potentially those reasons as a negative for avoiding corporations that require a full API. On the other hand corporations who actually want to go places need to avoid awoxers(someone who will kill others set to friendly status) and their alts. The lazy way of creating an alt has been through just sending them money, which the api will show. Same goes for using rmt, quite a few don't want to invest in someone who will just go poof by being banned. The asset viewing portion of the api can be used to catch a corp thief who is sticking around to potentially get more stuff. In the end both a corporation and a player needs to be cautious to stop potential scams.
Kieron VonDeux
#7 - 2016-05-07 01:38:02 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
++ Corp recruiting in Eve Online ++

It's supposed to keep spys out of the corp, but it got a bit out of hand lately in my opinion ;)



Yeah I really think CCP needs to rethink some of what they put in the API. You could almost call it "1984 Online" with the level they allow.
And saying that it is your choice to provide is just silly. So many corps are defaulting to full api or you can't join.

Aiwha
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2016-05-07 01:39:16 UTC
If somebody asks for your "full API key"


- Yes they can see your wallet balance and any transactions.


- Yes they can see your assets


- Yes they can read your EVE mail


- NO they cannot touch or affect your character or account in any way.




Basically, every box you check governs what somebody can see via API. And yes, most corps will ask you for a full API key in order to perform basic counterintel. It seems like literally the first thing a spy would cover up, but you'd be suprised how many dudes try to spy with tainted accounts.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-05-07 01:58:34 UTC
Pivo Ace wrote:
Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ?

Because, probably for some totally unwarranted reason, they think they might be someone worth spying on and so think that by demanding your API, they are somehow protected.

They probably heard that's what all the cool Corp's do, so they'll do it to.

In other words, they have no clue what they are doing.

Unless they are giving you roles in the Corp (which would be stupid for someone just joining), there's really no reason they need your API.

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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Burning Skies
Apocalypse Now.
#10 - 2016-05-07 02:19:21 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Pivo Ace wrote:
Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ?

Because, probably for some totally unwarranted reason, they think they might be someone worth spying on and so think that by demanding your API, they are somehow protected.

They probably heard that's what all the cool Corp's do, so they'll do it to.

In other words, they have no clue what they are doing.

Unless they are giving you roles in the Corp (which would be stupid for someone just joining), there's really no reason they need your API.
I'm always wary of corporations that ask for a full API key up-front. Usually, the corporations that know what they're looking for will ask for keys limited to very specific information, rather than asking for a blanket full-data API.
Hawke Frost
#11 - 2016-05-07 02:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hawke Frost
The only people who talk about how useless and stupid it is are the ones who'd have their cover blown by such a check, pretending to be a newbie or something similar while they're not. Then there's the "it won't stop really good spies" fallacy, it won't but let's be honest most people are lazy and not that intelligent so it'll catch the majority of trouble makers. It could be used by the corporation to spy on your and your previous or next corporation/alliance, this is completely up to you by pruning old API when they're not needed anymore.


Simply put: it helps weeding out the obvious bad apples and in case of a newbie it can help guide him in regards to skill training etc. They can't take anything from you or your account, it's info only. Giving it out to specific, worth while, corporations is not a problem.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-05-07 02:29:37 UTC
Basically, because scamming, spying and killing your corp mates are all legal mechanics in EVE, many corps run a 'background check' on your character by ways of your API key. They check some stats of your char, like money, mails, stuff like that. It's a pretty common thing in EVE, sadly. You'll get used to it.

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Netan MalDoran
Sinister Intent
#13 - 2016-05-07 02:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Netan MalDoran
Hawke Frost wrote:
The only people who talk about how useless and stupid it is are the ones who'd have their cover blown by such a check, pretending to be a newbie or something similar while they're not. Then there's the "it won't stop really good spies" fallacy, it won't but let's be honest most people are lazy and not that intelligent so it'll catch the majority of trouble makers. It could be used by the corporation to spy on your and your previous or next corporation/alliance, this is completely up to you by pruning old API when they're not needed anymore.


Simply put: it helps weeding out the obvious bad apples and in case of a newbie it can help guide him in regards to skill training etc. They can't take anything from you or your account, it's info only. Giving it out to specific, worth while, corporations is not a problem.


This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.

If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.

Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.

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Zathra Narazi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-05-07 03:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zathra Narazi
It's for a background check to make sure you're not a spy. It's normal and almost all corps do it. It's nothing to be worried about. Well, I guess if you're a spy it is, but you know what I mean.

Pivo Ace wrote:
Can they see how I spend my isk?

Afraid they'll find out you've been buying an alarming number of Exotic Dancers, Male or something?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#15 - 2016-05-07 04:49:28 UTC
some corp. including mine use APIs to automate/regulate 3rd party apps like comms and websites. my CEO Marcel (who made the ancient Aura app for andriod mobiles) along with my other corpies have created/wrote alot of cool stuff/apps for our corp.

we don't actually need full API, but it's PIA to ask applicants to only select the required entries that asking them for full API is way much better and less tedious.

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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#16 - 2016-05-07 04:51:45 UTC
lol. It means you have a corp with a leadership that isn't confident in its abilities and needs a crutch. Thing is, what they think they can track they can't track with this method. Some people are strange, though, and there's not much you can do about that.

There is one thing, however. Don't be in a corp or alliance with an API requirement, unless it's enough to help you with an EVEMon schedule. The idea they can find spies using API is akin to thinking the moon is made of cheese and she'll respect you in the morning.

In the military we have "confidence training." No, it has nothing to do with that self-esteem your middle school teacher insisted you have. It has to do with confidence in a gas mask. Believe it or not, some people will refuse to use a gas mask. They just don't believe either there's gas, or the mask will actually work.

What they do is sit you in a room filled with tear gas with this mask on. After twenty minutes or so (give or take) you have to stand up, take off your mask, say your name, then leave the room. Believe it. You know when you take off that mask, you are in a room full of gas and that mask was keeping it from you - in a very big way.

There is no test like this for people's thoughts and their tendency to convert their beliefs into facts. They believe they can track spies with the API. (They know they're too slow to track one at all on their own.) They praise the digital gods there is an API, then demand you give them yours.

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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-05-07 05:02:27 UTC
Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important.

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Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Bluenose Corporation
#18 - 2016-05-07 05:35:27 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important.



my wallet ... is mine. Big smile
and no ones has to look in! Bear

or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors.

If they don't trust me, why should i trust them? Pirate

Ugh

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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#19 - 2016-05-07 05:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Gwenaelle de Ardevon wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important.



my wallet ... is mine. Big smile
and no ones has to look in! Bear

or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors.

If they don't trust me, why should i trust them? Pirate

Ugh

I'm sure Tisi is only interested to make sure there has been a 10 million ISK payment to a relevant agent within the last 12 months.

As for APIs, as a Corp recruiter, I'm not too bothered seeing one initially. We don't rely on API checks to determine someone's background, nor for our Corp/Alliance security. There is plenty of other information that can be used. I only ask for a partial sometimes if anything flags up, but generally we don't require an API key from anyone. As a pvp Alliance we give 0 f*cks if an awoxer tries to join. That just means one fight we don't need to go looking for.
Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Bluenose Corporation
#20 - 2016-05-07 05:41:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Gwenaelle de Ardevon wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important.



my wallet ... is mine. Big smile
and no ones has to look in! Bear

or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors.

If they don't trust me, why should i trust them? Pirate

Ugh

I'm sure Tisi is only interested to make sure there has been a 10 million ISK payment to a relevant agent within the last 12 months.



maybe.. Big smile

«An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour». Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154]

More Quotes, Poetry & Prose on: https://gwenaelledeardevon.wordpress.com/

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