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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#341 - 2016-05-06 17:11:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Code was operating before the buff to tank on mining ships, they were especially active in Gallente and Caldari space and that was linked in with certain top level Goons having lots of Gallente ice. I rather like that as a reason to gank mining ships, to put the price up of Gallente ice.


Gal ice got targeted because of the bottleneck in POS operations, not because of anything code may or may not have been up to. These attempts are reworking history isn't going to work any better than your claims that barges were profitable to kill no matter what they fitted.


Well that was also because the best Super and the best carrier in terms of DPS were Gallente. And the rumour was that certain Goons had a stockpile, a lot of people had taht view or understanding, of course I don't know if those Goons had a stockpile, but it seemed plausible.

As for your second point, T1 fitted Catalysts for the profit...




Leik Darz once gave one of my alts a fitting for a T1 cat saying that an all T2 fit was overkill.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2016-05-06 17:12:32 UTC
It was my understanding that minerganking was more of a public relations stunt (which worked wonders as some guys poop their pants even when not in danger) but that this was nothing but an entertaining pass-time.

The PROFIT is made by haulers; and I'm not even talking freighters here but overcharged bestowers, badgers, expensive mods on incursion runners etc. - and yes, expanded cargohold freighters.

I have no idea what Baltec is trying to prove here; we've been wondering for years why gankers blow up our barges if there's no profit to be made, never got a straight reply aside from "UR TEARZ R DELICIUSS" Okay. Fine. You do it for tears, do it for tears then. Don't harp on about profit. You want profit, go after the haulers or the assembly yard POS.

(plus, let's not forget your cheap catalysts were covered by insurance back in the day -- you didn't actually PAY for your loss now did ya?)
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#343 - 2016-05-06 17:15:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

This thread is about CCP removing content and in this case they have. To me thats not a good thing to be doing, especially given that pvp is the only content mining has.


.....not true. There are social, organized groups at work with anti-gank defenses, boosts, haulers, reprocessing POSses ... there's a lot more at play here than merely sitting in the belt.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#344 - 2016-05-06 17:54:57 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
lol people sending mails thanking you for your valiant posting on eve forums? I call bull.


People have sent me mails saying well done and thanks for standing up on the forums, I had two this week. It is fine taht you do not believe me.




Same thing happens to me. Though not as much.






likewise , though the hatemail sorta balances it out.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#345 - 2016-05-06 19:32:38 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
It was my understanding that minerganking was more of a public relations stunt (which worked wonders as some guys poop their pants even when not in danger) but that this was nothing but an entertaining pass-time.

The PROFIT is made by haulers; and I'm not even talking freighters here but overcharged bestowers, badgers, expensive mods on incursion runners etc. - and yes, expanded cargohold freighters.

I have no idea what Baltec is trying to prove here; we've been wondering for years why gankers blow up our barges if there's no profit to be made, never got a straight reply aside from "UR TEARZ R DELICIUSS" Okay. Fine. You do it for tears, do it for tears then. Don't harp on about profit. You want profit, go after the haulers or the assembly yard POS.

(plus, let's not forget your cheap catalysts were covered by insurance back in the day -- you didn't actually PAY for your loss now did ya?)


The gank catalyst didnt exist when insurance payouts were a thing, that was an age where the gank battleship was the go to ship.

These days there isn't any reason to gank barges. It really is just for the tears and to make things go boom.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#346 - 2016-05-06 19:38:28 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thread is about CCP removing content and in this case they have. To me thats not a good thing to be doing, especially given that pvp is the only content mining has.


.....not true. There are social, organized groups at work with anti-gank defenses, boosts, haulers, reprocessing POSses ... there's a lot more at play here than merely sitting in the belt.


You sit a skiff in a belt and go watch TV or play another game, thats as hard as it gets. There is no challenge, no risk, no choices to be made. Just sit there and suck on a rock. It is the single most boring activity in EVE simply because miners whined until CCP removed everything that could possibly make them fail at their task. Literally the only thing left is a gank organisation that will last only so long as people keep on donating to them, and even they will very very rarely form up enough people to take down a skiff.
Hawke Frost
#347 - 2016-05-06 19:52:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thread is about CCP removing content and in this case they have. To me thats not a good thing to be doing, especially given that pvp is the only content mining has.


.....not true. There are social, organized groups at work with anti-gank defenses, boosts, haulers, reprocessing POSses ... there's a lot more at play here than merely sitting in the belt.


You sit a skiff in a belt and go watch TV or play another game, thats as hard as it gets. There is no challenge, no risk, no choices to be made. Just sit there and suck on a rock. It is the single most boring activity in EVE simply because miners whined until CCP removed everything that could possibly make them fail at their task. Literally the only thing left is a gank organisation that will last only so long as people keep on donating to them, and even they will very very rarely form up enough people to take down a skiff.


You make it sound as if CODE is doing it for the good of humanity.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#348 - 2016-05-06 20:13:50 UTC
Perhaps they are.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#349 - 2016-05-06 20:27:05 UTC
It seems that many players are so disgusted by high sec space they would love for it to stop existing all together. I suppose they don't want there to be any safety's at all, and frankly no need for a war dec system either. I doubt it is simply because they love to explode ships that they hunt down miners or haulers. They simply want all out chaos all the time. No safe havens, no ways to hide, and no safety to help keep you from shooting the wrong things. They want the game to be harder and meaner and remove completely all the things that were done to the game over the years that make space safer.

To them high security space is a perverse piece of cancer in a game that is supposed to be about risk. Those people that have never left high security space are denying them the content they rightly deserve! There is no reason for high sec space to even exist anyway, and it's industrial community isn't needed anyway as they are sufficient without them.

Take off the safety's, remove Concord and their stupid gate guns, and let anyone be targeted all the time without need for wardec's!

That about sum it up?
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#350 - 2016-05-06 21:03:17 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
It seems that many players are so disgusted by high sec space they would love for it to stop existing all together. I suppose they don't want there to be any safety's at all, and frankly no need for a war dec system either. I doubt it is simply because they love to explode ships that they hunt down miners or haulers. They simply want all out chaos all the time. No safe havens, no ways to hide, and no safety to help keep you from shooting the wrong things. They want the game to be harder and meaner and remove completely all the things that were done to the game over the years that make space safer.

To them high security space is a perverse piece of cancer in a game that is supposed to be about risk. Those people that have never left high security space are denying them the content they rightly deserve! There is no reason for high sec space to even exist anyway, and it's industrial community isn't needed anyway as they are sufficient without them.

Take off the safety's, remove Concord and their stupid gate guns, and let anyone be targeted all the time without need for wardec's!

That about sum it up?


Nah, you're way off.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Hawke Frost
#351 - 2016-05-06 21:14:08 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
It seems that many players are so disgusted by high sec space they would love for it to stop existing all together. I suppose they don't want there to be any safety's at all, and frankly no need for a war dec system either. I doubt it is simply because they love to explode ships that they hunt down miners or haulers. They simply want all out chaos all the time. No safe havens, no ways to hide, and no safety to help keep you from shooting the wrong things. They want the game to be harder and meaner and remove completely all the things that were done to the game over the years that make space safer.

To them high security space is a perverse piece of cancer in a game that is supposed to be about risk. Those people that have never left high security space are denying them the content they rightly deserve! There is no reason for high sec space to even exist anyway, and it's industrial community isn't needed anyway as they are sufficient without them.

Take off the safety's, remove Concord and their stupid gate guns, and let anyone be targeted all the time without need for wardec's!

That about sum it up?


It's much more simple than that. It's clowns who aren't good enough to actually fight, so their mains are in massive alliances where they just follow orders or they're frustrated industrialists, who then create alts to shoot people who don't shoot back. That's really all there is to it, the rest is all nonsense.

There is an overarching thing going on, or at least there used to be, but the rank & file gankers are not in on that or even aware of it.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#352 - 2016-05-06 21:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
baltec1 wrote:
There is no challenge, no risk, no choices to be made.


Sounds like joining some bloated nullsec corporation.

baltec1 wrote:
It is the single most boring activity in EVE .


Yes ... indeed it is.

If you're bored pick a fight with PL. I'm sure they'll provide you with enough excitement and ISK loss that you'll learn to appreciate having a highsec area to recover in.

Until then you're just an entitled biomass that wants to pick on the weak.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#353 - 2016-05-06 21:48:06 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
lol people sending mails thanking you for your valiant posting on eve forums? I call bull.


People have sent me mails saying well done and thanks for standing up on the forums, I had two this week. It is fine taht you do not believe me.




Same thing happens to me. Though not as much.






likewise , though the hatemail sorta balances it out.




From customers or "customers"? Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#354 - 2016-05-07 00:26:12 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
There is no challenge, no risk, no choices to be made.


Sounds like joining some bloated nullsec corporation.

baltec1 wrote:
It is the single most boring activity in EVE .


Yes ... indeed it is.

If you're bored pick a fight with PL. I'm sure they'll provide you with enough excitement and ISK loss that you'll learn to appreciate having a highsec area to recover in.

Until then you're just an entitled biomass that wants to pick on the weak.


Do we tell him or let him figure this one out?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#355 - 2016-05-07 00:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
baltec1 wrote:
Do we tell him or let him figure this one out?

Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

@Sentamon...in addition to having an unusual fetish for Megathron's, Baltec has an who fleet of them named after him. That's not because of highsec shenanigans.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#356 - 2016-05-07 00:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssabat Thraxx
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
It seems that many players are so disgusted by high sec space they would love for it to stop existing all together. I suppose they don't want there to be any safety's at all, and frankly no need for a war dec system either. I doubt it is simply because they love to explode ships that they hunt down miners or haulers. They simply want all out chaos all the time. No safe havens, no ways to hide, and no safety to help keep you from shooting the wrong things. They want the game to be harder and meaner and remove completely all the things that were done to the game over the years that make space safer.

To them high security space is a perverse piece of cancer in a game that is supposed to be about risk. Those people that have never left high security space are denying them the content they rightly deserve! There is no reason for high sec space to even exist anyway, and it's industrial community isn't needed anyway as they are sufficient without them.

Take off the safety's, remove Concord and their stupid gate guns, and let anyone be targeted all the time without need for wardec's!

That about sum it up?


That about sums it up for me.

Im not a ganker (well I used to gank haulers for profit, but that was a long time ago,) but I think hisec is for the birds.

Also, there's plenty of industry in nullsec. It's not like the games industrial base would crumble witout hisec. It'd probably become more profitable.

\m/ O.o \m/

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#357 - 2016-05-07 01:03:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
lol people sending mails thanking you for your valiant posting on eve forums? I call bull.


People have sent me mails saying well done and thanks for standing up on the forums, I had two this week. It is fine taht you do not believe me.




Same thing happens to me. Though not as much.






likewise , though the hatemail sorta balances it out.




From customers or "customers"? Lol

Oh thatd be telling , i will say though it ranges from " **** off and die " to " my friends and i think you should be csm ".

Honestly i just think its hilarious anyone cares that much about my rampant shiptoasting,
nevermind enough to actually tell me.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#358 - 2016-05-07 01:06:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
There is no challenge, no risk, no choices to be made.


Sounds like joining some bloated nullsec corporation.

baltec1 wrote:
It is the single most boring activity in EVE .


Yes ... indeed it is.

If you're bored pick a fight with PL. I'm sure they'll provide you with enough excitement and ISK loss that you'll learn to appreciate having a highsec area to recover in.

Until then you're just an entitled biomass that wants to pick on the weak.


Do we tell him or let him figure this one out?

This right here, this is why i read the forums.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Robur Maximus
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#359 - 2016-05-07 01:19:26 UTC
Ganking miners is not "content creation", and I think that being "relatively" safe when mining in high sec is fine. Its so boring anyway (I don´t mine) that there is no possibility that you can demand people to watch their screen while doing it waiting to respond to gankers (And no, getting ganked does not make it more fun for the miner).
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#360 - 2016-05-07 03:50:52 UTC
Robur Maximus wrote:
Ganking miners is not "content creation", and I think that being "relatively" safe when mining in high sec is fine. Its so boring anyway (I don´t mine) that there is no possibility that you can demand people to watch their screen while doing it waiting to respond to gankers (And no, getting ganked does not make it more fun for the miner).


I'd argue that gankers and gank fleets do create content. Just the same as massive alliances renting out nullsec created new content, and pirates in losec create content by choosing that playstyle. Although I hate the fact that people might not like miners and want to blow them up, it is a service to the community that they are providing. And I say this from a strictly cool headed perspective that when you really think about it a ganker is creating a new game mechanic in a way. They become a 'thing' and as such a part of the game itself.

However, I do feel that CCP has pigeonholed the players of EVE so much they desperately have to find new ways to provide content and it isn't fair. There need to be new ways to provide more content, however that is achieved. Perhaps we should let lose the floodgates and pull out all the stops?