Wormholes

The Arithmos is well-named... and very, very good at math involving large numbers.

Honestly I don't really see the point in ******* around with the cap escalations to this extent. You're a couple days away from release and it sounds like you still have bugs galore to sort out.

The c5 and c6 sites really needed two things done: change the spawn locations to be random around the site - fixes solo dread, bomber and smart bombing running so that you need dread+loki+carrier on field. There you go, you nearly have a pvp fleet right there. Magic!

The other thing was to fix the bug that caused sites to stay for 4 days. Just despawn the bloody things an hour or two after someone warped to it. Fixes your prolonged farming problem. This way you can still run them in subcaps or caps but you won't be able to farm.

Oh yeah, c4s need the ****** up spawning ranges fixed.


Of course, you guys went in and "fixed" the gun resolution on dreads so now you have to **** around and balance the sigs resolution and the HAWs. Yeah gl with that one.

I get your point. I guess the problem is that some combinations of faction ships and high-end faction and deadspace modules are so powerful that these ships are as good as or even better than a capital.

But as long as they are also as expensive, maybe that doesn't really matter. But prices fluctuate of course... I think rattles are much cheaper now than they used to be?

Oh, those at risk of afk-carriers.

I dont like this ad-hoc solution to "filthy rich wormholer" problem. Me and my little corp, live in C5 with no effect, C4 static WH. Half of the people have no idea how the WH combat sites work.. after a few days of doing capital escalations, number of combat sites starts droping, so, we came to a solution, of doing sites 4 days in a week, starting monday. Usualy, if you are working sites like that, you will have 5-6 sites per week (including relic/data sites). You will usualy have 5-8 people in a fleet (4 capital pilots, web loki, ecm BS, booster pilot, noctis pilot...).
Farming one combat site gives you ~750 mil. ISK.
Every forth day you will do entire site, and it is ~1 bil.
So, you have 2.2 bil. for the first 3 days, plus 1 bil on the last day - 3.2 bil. ISK per site.
5 sites per week = 16 bil.
divide that with 8 people, and you get the ISK earned per week for every pearson = 2 bil.
That is somewhere around 280 mil. ISK per day...

And you want to tell me that there is no other way in EVE to make 280 mil. per day?

Ok, lets go a little bit further...

Every day, you need to prep before actual farming...

You need to close the stat and every other WH you have, you need to activate sites, prepare the warp in and so on...
With all that preparations, and actual site running, salvaging, you are looking at a 3 hours job...

So.. 280 mil. ISK / 3 Hours.... Hm..

And you have 15-20 Bil. setup vulnerable in space...

Sometimes, there is a k162 WH with 20 online people - 0 ISK today...
Sometimes, new sig apears on probe scan - GTFO...
And on very bad days, you have a fleet loged off in your home :)

And now you want us to clear that 5 -6 sites to get the drifter??

OK...

40 Mil. ISK per capital escalation - 120 Mil. ISK..
Regular site aprox - 200 Mil.
Drifter - 350 Mil.
Entire site gone for 670 Mil....
You do that with all 6 spawned sites you have in your WH and you get 4 Bil. ISK.
Per week...
For your entire fleet...

I dont want to calculate how much ISK per hour is that... I will sell my capitals and get my alt to mine ice...

You get the point...
This will only get people to abandon WH space (C5 and C6 first, C4 will follow)...
I would gladly accept if CCP would cut the profits from farming... even for half...
But this... simply doesnt make sense.

After trying the site I actually like it, but trying constructive criticism I must ask if the stated objectives are going to be achieved.
Does the drifter have at least 2 different behaviors? It looked like....

You can solo-dread a site and get most part of site-value, I can't see how this design pushes group play. You get no rewards for bringing more pilots. This applies mostly for the Naglfar, the other dreads cannot carry and refit between HAW and normal guns.

Maybe only if you use subcaps you going to want getting friends. You would be getting almost full payout. And raiding your c5&c6 statics might worth it. Rolling your static and closing undesired connections coming to the static sounds a bit of work, but doable.

I see total income not varying much if by finishing sites these rotates faster.

Also, might be bug:
If you killed the whole first normal spawn + dread escalation, bringing another cap (FAX) would not spawn more escalations.

Greetings.

W-space, especially C5/C6 is these days plagued by renters and Goon pets. Nerfing it is a good thing.

Initial intention was not to live in one anyway afaik ... or at least "we never thought someone would live there at all" ... so if everyone leaves ... would be like CCPs initial prediction. :D

Just because you're horrifically inefficient at running sites and do so as part of a normal corp does not mean that this is the average case scenario of what people actually do to really MAKE isk in wspace.

What actually happens is you have 2-3 guys with 3 toons each in a hole who log in, close all exits within 10min and farm all their sites at a rate of ~5 sites an hour, earning them 1.2-1.8bil per hour each, probably 2-3 hours a day for the first 2 weeks in a well selected WH.
it's beyond simple to make 20-30bil a week per person in a C5 with minimum time investment. You can very easily scale it into the multiple 100s by having setups in multiple systems with different sets of alts and cycling through 2-3, or more, systems each day to maximize farming time.
(note that this also means you can completely ignore any hostiles in one of your systems since you just log out and farm in a different hole.)

as for setup cost? sure, it costs isk to field caps and more isk to buy/train alts to fly them but how is that remotely a concern when it comes to escalation isk farming? you make enough isk in 1-2 days to fully replace any fleet you're using and can fully fund another fleet and the alts to fly it in another system with what you make in your first system in a week or 2.
isk is not a limiting factor to anything involving isk farming in wormholes and as such any setup cost is simply not a relevant point.



it absolutely needs less people who only exist in WHs to farm sites. Especially in the upper level corps that can dictate the large scale development of wspace.

yeah thanks, for nothing. It is not enough that CCP don't care much about WH space, now our own people back stab us.

No farming-MAKING isk in i C5 and C6 wh space, but it is ok to have farming boots in NULL, it is ok when you jump in null sec system and local channel spike for your character soo boots can easy warp to safe, yeah that is awesome job CCP.
At least people were playing EVE while farming-MAKING isk in WH space.


Why should players make content in WH space? Why should they live there, it is prohibited by CCP? Maybe players like WH space and they make their own content there, CCP should cherish that, not destroy it.

Please CCP don't help WH space any more.

Cheers.