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You are attempting to argue absolute semantics when discussing feelings. It simply can't be applied that way. If the SP are available but people aren't able to get them due to real life, a lot of people will feel penalised and it is a selling point of EVE that offline passive SP is how you progress, not daily quests.
The introduction of daily quests turns SP from a passive thing to an active thing, no matter how easy it is. And it does show a massive change in EVE's SP paradigm.
Also, to everyone who said 'SP injectors won't cause any further changes', I present you the proposed daily kill 5 Boar quests as proof you were wrong.

Why should your inactivity be equal to someone actively playing the game?

Atypically, how much you put into a game is what you get out of it.

Technically, you are not losing skill points, you are gaining extra. Also the window is said to be 22 hours. so it's technically any time after the 22 hour window opens.

And yes, you are lazy. Maybe it should be adjusted to once a week, but still your way of gamming promotes "log in to adjust skill queues and log off. I'm getting the same SP as all those people actively playing".

Underlined part, this is quite scary to be honest - that they have no clue and just copy paste the worst possible pseudomechanic from other games. Or ... they know very well what they do and what kind of cancer they are bringing ....

Both alternatives are ... ehhh.



Oh goodness don't give them ideas like that .... This is "harmless" enough for them to actually consider this at some point ....

If by " 95% of the skills an old character has are not relevant to the hull they are currently flying." you mean that someone which runs on a BS/Large guns don't need to have much skill in lower hulls, I think that it's YOU who are not understanding how things works...

A "normal" player, with only ONE account, will have to grind it's way to be able to fly higher hulls...

Even if you only need to train lower hulls and guns (or missiles) to level 3 to be able to train BS/Large, you'll also need to earn the money to buy it... enough money to be able to replace it should you lose it...

It's true that a PvE player who is running its missions with a BS won't need the smaller hulls anymore, he will probably need to stay quite a time using these smaller hulls to get the needed ISK (or pay2win buying PLEX for ISK). This means training the skills for these smaller ships...

Most of these skills that you may find "useless" now were quite useful when you first learned them... You had to rely on them to raise the money for your current pimped ships...

And it gets even worse if you plan to play mixed-faction ships (pirate ships and other)...

And you'll still need 3 1/2 week (or more) to get many of your level 5 skills...

For PvP, you see the same problem (with the addition that PvP will require even more skills as you've to take scam/point and similar in account)... Well, it's even worse when joining fleets which have multiple doctrines and will REQUIRE you to flight in ships of different classes...

For industry, every little bonus that you get will directly lead to more margin, which allow you to undercut competitors while still making benefits... And if you go T2, that'll require even more skills (and expensive ones).

So, yes, someone with multiple accounts and with lots of ISK available will be able to "cut corners" while training it's skills, a "normal" player with "only one account" won't...

Your understanding of game mechanics for "newer players" is quite skewed... maybe you're playing for too long to be able to understand the real player development (the one without massive support from other toons).

Respect your players. Respect your game. Respect yourselves. Don't do this.

Your logic is so full of holes I could drive a tank through it. I understand that good things sometimes happen when you log in. I understand that good things often happen when you undock. Those good things should be the incentive to log in and undock. They should be compelling enough to make you do both. More on this in a bit...

Making me log in at 0300 to change a skill did not result in meaningful interaction. That did not respect my time. You just got me out of bed at an inconvenient time. That sucked as game design and is justifiably gone. Do not weep for it. Eve is a better game without that. Respect Eve for that fact.

Why do I have to log in? If people are paying you $130 per year just to train skills, but never logging in, what is your problem with that? As the saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink." I've been subscribed to this game through two 7-month combat deployments where all I could do was train skills. I've stayed subscribed through family vacations, training exercises, and periods of beautiful beach weather. Why wouldn't you want me as a customer? The only thing that kept me in this game through those times was the premise that my character would be better than it was when I went AFK and the only thing I would miss out on was the opportunity to actually do the fun things in Eve. I missed most of B-R because I was at work. I missed 6DVT because I had to move my Titan before going to the field for two weeks. I missed Asakai because I was infatuated with a new girlfriend. I wish I had been there for those events, but that's life.

I would not have started playing Eve at all if it did not have passive skill training. For a person with a career, family, and other things to do in life, this was a major draw. "A game with no grind. A game with no rules. A game with real consequences. A game where you make your own opportunities." That's Eve. I would not have kept playing Eve if I had ever taken a break and felt myself behind other players my age. Why would I subscribe to Eve through months of combat if everyone else comes out 20% ahead? And if my subscription ever lapses, you are not getting me back. My wife will find a use for the money I spend maintaining six accounts. I will find new hobbies.

I understand why you have to make the bonus SP. It's the only commodity you have not devalued by making it too easy to acquire. Now you are cashing it in (and preparing to crash it) the same way you did LP (FW and Incursions), ISK (anomalies and Incursions), Deadspace loot (too many escalations, signatures are too common). You will ruin the SP market the same as you did everything else. SP should never have been a market item in the first place, but you already screwed the pooch on that one. If you must give out SP, make it 10,000 per week, per account. Or make it tied to a pool of opportunities that hit wickets that help a player, new or old, progress in Eve and get out of their comfort zone.

Eve's appeal is the "Butterfly Effect" and the "I was there" moment. You want us to log in and you want us to undock because it increases the potential for players to interact. This is commonly called "content." But your premise to achieve that goal is flawed. I cannot log in and trigger the next Asakai on my lunch break. If I do, I'm totally screwed because I have to go back to work. I'd be forced to log off and die. And I certainly cannot trigger an "I was there moment" undocking a Vexor to kill a single belt rat. Nothing is really at risk.

If you want to get people out in space and interacting, make your incentive require more effort and occur less often. Make it easier to accomplish the more you place at risk. An example of a well-designed incentive was an escalation. A 10/10 eight jumps away offers the potential for a big payout. It requires a decent ship [worthwhile target] to accomplish the mission. Someone sharp at scanning can interrupt the activity, but it's not a gauranteed loss. You used to be able to postpone the escalation up to seven days (and they were less frequent). This respected the players' time. The loot drops used to be worth a lot, before you made them occur too often.

What really makes people log in? Player interaction. Watch how quickly people come out of hibernation when a Titan gets tackled or when a war breaks out. Come up with weekly opportunities that scale with player age and ability. Make the incentive something infrequent, very nice, and that puts them at real risk and requires effort. For example, for a younger player, make it a weekly opportunity that requires using a T1 frigate in low sec. It could be something simple, such as "visit five new low sec systems and do SOMETHING in each one." For an older player, make a weekly opportunity that requires using a battleship in low sec, null sec, or wormhole space. For a archaic old bittervet, make it something like "answer five new player questions in the help channel" or "kill another ship with your heavy fighters or doomsday device." Or, remove the weekly requirement, and just tie the reward to the existing opportunity system and greatly expand that. Why shouldn't I, as a nine year veteran, get some incentive to try new things? For example, "Kill another player with every T1 Amarr frigate." Sure, I could be lame and game it by "fighting" my alt, but at least I purchased and fitted some new ships and made something explode.

But sadly, you don't respect your players, you don't respect Eve, and you don't respect yourselves. It's easier to do something to make more people log in a bit more often than it is to actually keep making Eve a better experience.

These are very good suggestions.

It would still be a chore but at least you could do it at your leisure.

The more I think about this Daily Opportunities racket the more it feels like it's meant to pave the way for some kind of f2p redesign of the game.

What he means is that for any given thing you're doing or ship you're flying, the vast majority of the skills you have make absolutely no difference. The supposed skill gap does not exist because it hinges on an assumption that more SP means you are universally better when it actually means nothing of the kind. Only applicable SP matter, and that number is almost wholly disconnected from the total SP you have.

No. Largely because no such grind exists.

No.
Typically, how much time you spend on a game does reflect how much you get out of it. The same holds true for EVE: if you play the game actively, you progress far faster than if you don't. SP is not a factor in this, nor should it be since that has already proven to create very very very bad player behaviour.

Technically, your training day is 24 hours long rather than 18 hours — you lose out on 6 hours worth of training per day. All because you choose to actively play the game rather than subject yourself to whatever monotony CCP demands you do.

Yet

aye i would rather it just not go in

but at least this is easier on the player and is more reflective of the skill queue