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Balancing bumping and looting mechanics

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bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1061 - 2016-02-06 11:29:46 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
look at the timer /flag as similar to a kr , but only available to the freighter pilots fleet , once activated (manually just to be clear :) ) by the freighter pilot, , the freighter pilot and bumper are able to aggress each other legally, but , just like a kr, the bumper may only defend himself against those who choose to aggress him. lets call it a ' clear my way of obstructions' right.



yes ,b4 you feel the need to point it out - i know freighter pilots are unable to aggress .Pirate
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1062 - 2016-02-06 11:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Oh my, such a complicated proposal to address something that may not even exist. At least one viable counter, that is capable of dealing with such a hypothetical scenario, already exists.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1063 - 2016-02-06 12:01:13 UTC
Someone has yet to post any evidence that change is needed.
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1064 - 2016-02-06 12:05:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oh my, such a complicated proposal to address something that may not even exist. At least one viable counter, that is capable of dealing with such a hypothetical scenario, already exists.


so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences for the pilot doing the obstruction is not worthy enough of discussing proposals to balance it?




bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1065 - 2016-02-06 12:08:00 UTC
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?
Top Guac
Doomheim
#1066 - 2016-02-06 12:08:54 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oh my, such a complicated proposal to address something that may not even exist. At least one viable counter, that is capable of dealing with such a hypothetical scenario, already exists.


so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences for the pilot doing the obstruction is not worthy enough of discussing proposals to balance it?





Illegal is a lie.

Daily Quac winner for the post with the most. Bullshit that is. The most bullshit rivalling the levels of JamesBeam himself.

Wear it with pride. Certificate is in the post.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1067 - 2016-02-06 12:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oh my, such a complicated proposal to address something that may not even exist. At least one viable counter, that is capable of dealing with such a hypothetical scenario, already exists.


so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences for the pilot doing the obstruction is not worthy enough of discussing proposals to balance it?
When you can prove that such a problem exists, with actual evidence instead of supposition and guesswork, and can subsequently prove that your hypothetical problem is unbalanced; then we'll have something to discuss.

Currently you've been unable to prove the existence of the problem, let alone whether or not it would be unbalanced if it existed. There are already counters available, that aren't insanely complex or exploitable, that are clearly capable of dealing with your hypothetical problem, you just don't want to use them.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1068 - 2016-02-06 12:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?


Why do you keep on saying "so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences" after being shown multiple times that its not illegal and that there are many very easy ways of getting out and/or avoiding the situation entirely?
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1069 - 2016-02-06 12:19:18 UTC
Top Guac wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oh my, such a complicated proposal to address something that may not even exist. At least one viable counter, that is capable of dealing with such a hypothetical scenario, already exists.


so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences for the pilot doing the obstruction is not worthy enough of discussing proposals to balance it?





Illegal is a lie.

Daily Quac winner for the post with the most. Bullshit that is. The most bullshit rivalling the levels of JamesBeam himself.

Wear it with pride. Certificate is in the post.


''illegal'' was in inverted commas for a reason .

and thank you , can you confirm it as a4 size so i can buy a frame for it ? Big smile
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1070 - 2016-02-06 12:23:29 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
look at the timer /flag as similar to a kr , but only available to the freighter pilots fleet , once activated (manually just to be clear :) ) by the freighter pilot, , the freighter pilot and bumper are able to aggress each other legally, but , just like a kr, the bumper may only defend himself against those who choose to aggress him. lets call it a ' clear my way of obstructions' right.


yes ,b4 you feel the need to point it out - i know freighter pilots are unable to aggress .Pirate

Look, as long as there is any game mechanic that may result in others becoming a legal target even if they have their safety on we will find a way to use this to kill people. Carebears are usually not really good with game mechanics, but we are and we will find a way. CCP knows this, and they will never implement something like that.

Your idea is to try to fix bumping, wich is not really an issue and by doing so you will just open a can of worms in some other part of the game. This is like thread #7567783 about bumping and there are always a ton of ideas. But they all fail and will do more harm than anything else to your own carebear friends.

Also if this really gets "fixed", what do you think will happen? A ton of free kills for you because we forget to adapt? The only thing that will happen is that you or some other carebear will be back here and cry for the next nerf.

Evil RatKid
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1071 - 2016-02-06 12:26:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?


Why do you keep on saying "so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences" after being shown multiple times that its not illegal and that there are many very easy ways of getting out and/or avoiding the situation entirely?


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1072 - 2016-02-06 12:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?


Why do you keep on saying "so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences" after being shown multiple times that its not illegal and that there are many very easy ways of getting out and/or avoiding the situation entirely?


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile
Terrible analogy, in many countries in the real world that would be considered a breach of the peace or an assault, both of which are crimes; in others the police would turn up, beat both parties to death, rob the corpses and then dump the bodies.

In Eve there is only one crime, which is the unauthorised use of an offensive module on another player; different places, different laws.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Top Guac
Doomheim
#1073 - 2016-02-06 12:32:48 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?


Why do you keep on saying "so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences" after being shown multiple times that its not illegal and that there are many very easy ways of getting out and/or avoiding the situation entirely?


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile

I take the award back. I only give awards for bullshitting.

But this is insanity.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1074 - 2016-02-06 12:35:50 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile


This is a game not real life.

Again, why is this change needed when we already have a number of very effective ways to counter bumping.
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1075 - 2016-02-06 13:32:57 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
look at the timer /flag as similar to a kr , but only available to the freighter pilots fleet , once activated (manually just to be clear :) ) by the freighter pilot, , the freighter pilot and bumper are able to aggress each other legally, but , just like a kr, the bumper may only defend himself against those who choose to aggress him. lets call it a ' clear my way of obstructions' right.


yes ,b4 you feel the need to point it out - i know freighter pilots are unable to aggress .Pirate

Look, as long as there is any game mechanic that may result in others becoming a legal target even if they have their safety on we will find a way to use this to kill people. Carebears are usually not really good with game mechanics, but we are and we will find a way. CCP knows this, and they will never implement something like that.

Your idea is to try to fix bumping, wich is not really an issue and by doing so you will just open a can of worms in some other part of the game. This is like thread #7567783 about bumping and there are always a ton of ideas. But they all fail and will do more harm than anything else to your own carebear friends.

Also if this really gets "fixed", what do you think will happen? A ton of free kills for you because we forget to adapt? The only thing that will happen is that you or some other carebear will be back here and cry for the next nerf.


you will adapt of course, but if that adapting involves being less able or willing to risk a max agility bumper mach as the bump weapon of choice, then balance will have been achieved .

unlimited bumping would then be harder because without the max agility mach, countering *extended* bumping would become more balanced.

my proposal potentially involves a lot more meaningful pvp between gankers and their opponents, which is what you guys always whine about there not being enough, so i don't understand your objections to this sort of solution to the issue .
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1076 - 2016-02-06 13:39:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile


This is a game not real life.

Again, why is this change needed when we already have a number of very effective ways to counter bumping.


This is nonsense..

Eve is certainly modeled off of RL based SciFi.. not Fantasy; they didn't include magic spells..

And don't use the "LIQUID SPACE" card.. not many people could easily control spacecraft in a simulation of real physics..

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1077 - 2016-02-06 13:44:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Someone has yet to post any evidence that change is needed.

I have
repeatedly

guy helps gank someone in HISEC and no one can touch him without being a criminal themselves..
- this is a problem

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1078 - 2016-02-06 13:45:13 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:


ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile

... THIS...

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1079 - 2016-02-06 13:48:53 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
look at the timer /flag as similar to a kr , but only available to the freighter pilots fleet , once activated (manually just to be clear :) ) by the freighter pilot, , the freighter pilot and bumper are able to aggress each other legally, but , just like a kr, the bumper may only defend himself against those who choose to aggress him. lets call it a ' clear my way of obstructions' right.


yes ,b4 you feel the need to point it out - i know freighter pilots are unable to aggress .Pirate

Look, as long as there is any game mechanic that may result in others becoming a legal target even if they have their safety on we will find a way to use this to kill people. Carebears are usually not really good with game mechanics, but we are and we will find a way. CCP knows this, and they will never implement something like that.

Your idea is to try to fix bumping, wich is not really an issue and by doing so you will just open a can of worms in some other part of the game. This is like thread #7567783 about bumping and there are always a ton of ideas. But they all fail and will do more harm than anything else to your own carebear friends.

Also if this really gets "fixed", what do you think will happen? A ton of free kills for you because we forget to adapt? The only thing that will happen is that you or some other carebear will be back here and cry for the next nerf.


Let's just fix the problems as they come up..

meanwhile the problem under discussion merely facilitates douchery..

- and don't forget: you can't spell DOUCHE without CODE

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1080 - 2016-02-06 13:50:00 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
so why continue posting?


Because you keep posting your gamebreakingly bad ideas.

Why do you think you're entitled to an echo chamber?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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