Player Features and Ideas Discussion

On top of that, there is the economic side we all know well. For Bella as a newer player:

Whether we like it or not, PvEers/Industrialists need pvp in the game just as much as pvpers need PvEers/Industrialists in return; and highsec is a major centre for that dependence.

If highsec becomes safe (at least from outlaws), the demand for replacement Freighters will drop. No demand to replace them means no demand to produce them. Similarly, the reduced CONCORDing of catalysts, taloses and other gank ships will reduce the demand to buy them, reducing the need to build them. When the ships aren't needed, neither are the fittings; and once overall demand to build is reduced, the demand for minerals will drop also.

More destruction in the game leads to more production, but the reverse doesn't hold true.

Highsec systems like Uedama, Madirlimire, Niarja and surrounds are regularly in the top system statistics on zkillboard ( http://puu.sh/mX7eH/3b49e00fee.jpg ) highlighting their importance as major centres of destruction in the game.

Similarly, regions that are mostly highsec are also significant in the game in terms of total destruction (Destruction by Region for September 2015).

So whether we like it or not, everyone's play is affected by the amount of pvp that goes on in highsec, with the correlation that more pvp is good for everyone in the game.

I guess, at least if outlaws are banned from highsec, there'll still be wardecs to keep the demand rolling. Maybe a lot of the current gankers can switch and become wardeccers. PvEers/Industrialists will be fine with that I'm sure.

Actually, you bring up an important point. The destruction of assets in Eve drives the player controlled economy.

Please don't think I'm against destruction. I agree with you on the freighters and Catalysts completely. Just that I want to make it harder in HISEC.

I'm actually with you:

I want them to need & lose MORE Catalysts..

I want to add BUMPING SHIPS to the tally of destroyed vessels.

Because you are clinging, closed mindedly to your paradigm, you can't get it.. I even believe you don't want to get it.

Because I'm telling you it's the BEST, clearest and most ACCURATE analogy of the problem I've seen stated to date and anyone who claims otherwise does so because it's against their agenda..

OK, so how does it relate to BUMPING for the purpose of ganking not having consequences.

Bumping and the inevitable gank are player derived consequences for the problem of irresponsible freighter pilots in highsec. As they are a player derived consequence, they should have a player derived counter.


Dismissing them out of hand is not addressing them.


Train your Reading Comprehension up another level, then re-read my comment.


They have the risk of paying for it. It is the exact same risk a freighter pilot takes when he decides his profit margin outweighs his safety. It is simply your responsibility as a player to provide that risk. What you want is to have zero risk of your own.


You don't want evolution, you want Trammel. You want all form of risk for you removed from the game. Yes, you spew the phrase "in highsec" with all caps, but I seriously doubt you'll ever leave highsec. if the 0.1% chance of losing a ship is too much for you in highsec, the much higher chances outside highsec must give you night terrors.

Yeah, I am kind of an elitist. No one who considers themselves a success at EvE isn't. EvE is considered by many to be the hardest MMO to play. One of the reasons for this is the very thing you're trying to destroy, the freedom of the sandbox. As for the condescending tone, when you stop and realize that you're trying to change one of the core tenets of the game for no other reason then you don't like it, of course I'm condescending.

Nothing in particular. A side-discussion began because a comment was made about banning outlaws from highsec.

That's all part of that side discussion.

Banning outlaws from highsec isn't related to bumping directly, only indirectly; but not related to that side discussion.

personal observation...

anyway, your point is rather knitpicky...

EDITED to ADD:

- I apologize for my tone.. evidently my assumption, based on my observation was wrong.

You don't have any of the answers, because you refuse to acknowledge them when they are provided.

The lack of consequences for bumping in hisec is not a balance or mechanics problem; it is a people problem, until people are willing to inflict consequences for bumping then the bumpers will suffer no consequences for their actions. The crimewatch mechanic provides opportunity to punish ne'er-do-wells and last we heard from CCP this is working as intended.

The problem that nobody has been able to provide evidence to support their claim that it's a problem, despite claiming that it's obvious?

Dismissing the 99% figure out of hand is not addressing anything. Red Frog are the largest hauler in the game, the sheer volume of traffic that they generate, and the fact that they publish an annual report, which is where that number comes from, should highlight any glaring problems with how bumping affects freighters.

Jerk or not, as long as they stick within the, admittedly rather loose by industry standards, rules then you have no choice but to deal with them; personally I deal with them by being an undesirable target.

As for "the opportunity of being a jerk" being a major selling point of Eve, no it's not; the major selling point is that you get to choose between good and evil, to write your own story and to choose your own path, instead of being forced through a scripted story and forced down the path of being a hero like so many other games.

In short, freedom is the salient selling point of Eve, spaceships and spaceship explosions come in very closely behind that.

Good news, you can make them pay dearly for it, shoot them in the face.

Do you think that going afk anywhere in space, in a PvP game, should be free of consequence?

My point is you don't know what you are talking about and should stop posting unfounded lies.

In a word, yes. Are the players acting like jerks? I wouldn’t describe it that way. This is a game where you can literally be the “Bad Guy” and some players take up that challenge. In my view this makes the game interesting and exciting and worth playing. I like the challenge.



Yes, PvP is the core of the game. You have been shown official CCP documents stating this. CCP designed the game with PvP at the core from the very beginning. As for picking on the weak, yes that is often the case. Attack when your opponent is vulnerable is always a good strategy.



Without engaging in PvP? No. As for joining a large corp or becoming a pirate, you don’t have to do that. I decided I was going to play Eve without scamming, stealing, etc. That when I joined up with a group, I’d be loyal to that group. It was my personal choice. So if you want to lone wolf it, go for it, but that choice will put constraints on you. If you want to join a small corp, go for it, but again that choice will put constraints on you. Just keep in mind the rules on what you cannot do in game is extremely short, and it typically revolves around things like using ethnic or gender related slurs, harassment is following a person around all the time in game bugging them even when they have made a good faith effort to get away—i.e. move 20 jumps away. Other than that short list…it is pretty much fair game. Stealing, scams, ganking, lying, spying, etc. are all legitimate. One of the biggest and oldest alliances in the game had all their Sov turned off by a spy. Then all the member corporations were kicked, and the holding corporation with the name of the alliance was given over to said alliances longtime enemies who proceeded to invade the space of the alliance that lost its sov. All completely allowed by CCP. And the scale of the losses was substantial.

HS does afford greater degree of safety, but it is not absolute and never has been. All of the above can still happen. Corp thefts, ganking, lying, scams, etc. Be very, very careful who you trust in game.



Mining is in the game as part of the economy. The economy in this game is one of the most detailed economies in any MMO. It is basically a giant market simulation. To be quite honest I’m surprised CCP does not have PhD candidates and PhD economists knocking on their door every day to get at that data for use in articles, dissertations, etc.

You can play however you like, but you cannot insulate yourself from other players. Some of those other players have decided to play the bad guy and they may try to do bad things to you. You have only one real recourse, deal with them as best you can. If they come gunning for you, you can try to kill them first, or you can just try to wait them out and bore them to death. But CCP will not help you.

And it is highly unlikely anyone from CCP, volunteer or otherwise, will show up in this thread. And if they did my guess is you won’t like it. Somebody may have linked it or they may link it, but CCP Falcon has a post that would completely disabuse you of just about everything you have written. From your perspective you would likely classify CCP Falcon with the rest of us in the douche category.