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Damage profiles by ship group and weapon type in 2015

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Jonahs Chensua
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#61 - 2015-12-30 10:35:59 UTC
Wow.. Do you think you could post a better copy of this chart?

Even the high resolution is hard to make out the lower ships even by zooming in. Why and how was this posted this way?
Pator Noster
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-12-30 10:38:03 UTC
Least Readable Chart Award - for grey font on grey fields - goes to CCP Quant! *applause*
Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-12-30 11:12:37 UTC
It is a bit weird that CCP complain about the server load of drones, and then make them easily the best weapons platform in the game.

Incentives and outcomes must work different in Iceland.
Kimimaro Yoga
Paragon Trust
#64 - 2015-12-30 12:42:52 UTC
Naxirian wrote:
RIP Assault ships and Interceptors. All hail their complete and utter replacement, the T3D! Cry


I have several interceptors. I use them to go from point A to point B, very fast. Now if you actually want to fight in something small… yep, you're playing T3D Online.

Seriously, CCP, don't buff assault frigs. Nerf the new toys until AFs are occasionally a useable alternative. Power creep, make it stop.

Now recruiting: http://dogfacedesign.com/index.php/Recruiting-Posters/recruiting-poster-patr3

Kir Devale
Hevaka Resources
#65 - 2015-12-30 12:43:13 UTC
Jasper Sinclair wrote:
Mhari Dson wrote:
I have always wondered why the reliance on drones for just about every ship to take out small stuff when a second fitting line (for small weapons only) would accomplish the job without the extra server side load drones produce.


Excellent point. This is something that real world navies have understood for several hundred years. Anyway, nothing astonishing in these numbers. Cruisers are the best cost/benefit ships for the vast majority of players. I was a bit surprised to see the Proteus as the #1 strategic cruiser. I smiled to see the Catalyst is the #1 destroyer, undoubtedly because of its ganking abilities. Also, RIP assault frigates.


Why are you assuming the Proteus and Catalyst are #1 in their respective fields. I am inclined to agree with you on the Catalyst, but keep in mind that the Cormorant and Tengu can/are fit with hybrids. At a minimum these categories are likely slightly to moderately inflated due to the overlapping weapon systems.
Kir Devale
Hevaka Resources
#66 - 2015-12-30 12:55:00 UTC
Naxirian wrote:
RIP Assault ships and Interceptors. All hail their complete and utter replacement, the T3D! Cry


Honestly at this point the T3Ds aren't affecting just assault frigates and interceptors. In my opinion it's kind of sad when they are out damaging most categories in the Assault Cruiser category except drones.

Also, on that note... even with a lot cruisers having a decent compliment of drones isn't it a bit ridiculous that drones are 3x-8x the damage over the other Assault Cruiser categories? I would expect drones to be the highest... but come on.
Andrea Caldeas
Rub Cal Corp
#67 - 2015-12-30 13:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Caldeas
Well, looking through the statistics, and taking into account the results might be a little skew due to the quantity of a particular ship being in Eve in any given time, it would seem that combat in Eve has become overshadowed by drones. Am I right? I do believe drones are OP, and places non-drone ships at a disadvantage and less likely to be favoured in battle.Ugh
strangescript
Solus Ventures
#68 - 2015-12-30 14:09:52 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
CCP Quant has conjured up some data magic added some grains of crunched numbers and voilá! ready is the damage profile chart 2015.


This chart shows the accumulated damage in 2015 grouped by ship group and refined by weapon group.

A high resolution (vector) version of this 2015 chart is available here.
As comparison check out the damage profiles 2014.

Let the analysis begin!


Dem energy weapons Sad
Hauler Joe
Trent Industries
Hell Dawn
#69 - 2015-12-30 15:06:10 UTC
Jonahs Chensua wrote:
Wow.. Do you think you could post a better copy of this chart?

Even the high resolution is hard to make out the lower ships even by zooming in. Why and how was this posted this way?



CCP's Normal Not doing things the right way!

Thats why the game is failing.

FIX mechanics and stop messing with other stuff like a chart that only shows Cruisers are mostly used.

I know everything else is useless with the current game mechanics.


Cap pilot's dying here.
Battleship pilots dying here.

Capitals are dead Battleships are dead CCP killed them.

Yossarian Toralen
M and M Enterpises
#70 - 2015-12-30 15:07:30 UTC
If you factor in how much damage was stopped by EWAR, the drone damage wouldn't look so impressive.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#71 - 2015-12-30 17:36:37 UTC
Manessa Poulette wrote:
But are you saying that every ship in the game has dealt damage with fighters? Even including drone assist, that's just as strange. Why would you use, say, deep transports for that?
Protection for the Deep Space Transport. Worked like a charm....Cool

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2015-12-30 21:39:07 UTC
Kir Devale wrote:
Naxirian wrote:
RIP Assault ships and Interceptors. All hail their complete and utter replacement, the T3D! Cry


Honestly at this point the T3Ds aren't affecting just assault frigates and interceptors. In my opinion it's kind of sad when they are out damaging most categories in the Assault Cruiser category except drones.


One of the driving factors for T3D's this year was their ability to enter into small complexes in FW. With that change already in place, 2016 will have a different outcome across the board for T3D's.

Of note is the 1.04B hp in energy weapons. A Huge chunk of that pew pew represents how dominate Habitual Chaos's Confessor doctrine was for Amarr FW from July-Nov this year. With HB inactive and the mastermind of the docterine off to fight the good fight elsewhere, It'll be interesting to see how things changed.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#73 - 2015-12-30 22:43:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
How about PvE damage?
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
Templis CALSF
#74 - 2015-12-31 10:25:18 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
How about PvE damage?


One AFKtar fit to rule them all? So drones at 20 bil damage while the other systems are at 1 bil?

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

CiCiP Sux2
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2015-12-31 10:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: CiCiP Sux2
It's very impressive that CCP can and has provided such a detailed statistic on damage and they have all the underlying data, its as simplified as when the answer to life, universe and everything was 42 in the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy ".

CCP was the purpose of posting this to see how players viewed this information or was there truly an intent to provide valuable statistics that can be used for useful game play, and we are being drip feed?

Happy Earth new year to all my fellow pilots.
Big smile
Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#76 - 2015-12-31 12:01:44 UTC
What's the point of making a chart with 200+ data points if you can't read them!?!

Saying "Drone are OP" yields roughly as much useful information as this terrible graphic.

I cannot fathom how you looked at the graph and didn't think to change the font color to white before shipping it.

/boggle
Mera Lox
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2015-12-31 12:46:26 UTC
Nice Chart but allmost unreadable, so its ******* useless.

Was the Creator of it Drunk?
Nevil Kincade
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#78 - 2015-12-31 13:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Kincade
Yossarian Toralen wrote:
If you factor in how much damage was stopped by EWAR, the drone damage wouldn't look so impressive.



i would like to have anti-drone e-war please.
some aoe effect that disconnects drones perhaps.

Imagine a towerbash with sentries dropped as afk dmg source. disconnect their drones twice so they will have reconnect timer, Launch bombs, full sentry stack gone. could force a retreat or escalation to dreads (yippie yea). Or it could be used as a projected aoe effect to save an important ship in your composition from a drone ball (ceptor, dic, logi, anti-Support, command dessi - yikes).

when talking about drone superiority People like to Keep quiet about the fact that drones can be killed off and their user deprived of his main source of damage. This justifies a lot of their Advantages. However, where fleet doctrines are concerned we are missing a ranged aoe tool to deal with drones. smartbombs are nice but only usable if fit on the ship that is being attacked, use high-Slots and are PG intensive.

i never thought i would be saying this but "Please give me more e-war CCP!"

Off Topic? who cares, gotta get drunk !

Happy New Year!


P.S. this chart ... LOL
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#79 - 2015-12-31 13:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Xelitras
Concerning "drones are OP". Let's not forget that drones are less exclusive to one race than the other weapon systems. There are three turret systems used specifically by one or two races. Missiles and drones are not bound to one race in the same way. There are more ships with dronebays as additional weapon system than there are ships which use missiles as a secondary system.

It's no wonder than that the combined use of drones on 4 races of ships is higher than each turret type looked at individually.

Add to this that drones and sentry drones are popular in situation where you don't want to spend ammo, like taking smaller structures down in missions or around a POS. Speaking of missions, I used a double RR Domi setup with drones for missions for a while. It's not hugely effective but you have 0 cost for ammo. (edited because I failed reading comprehension 101: PVP damage of course excludes PVE)

I think we'd get a more accurate picture if the damage was also analyzed by race of the ships.

AMARR: drones / missiles / turrets
CALDARI: drones / missiles / turrets
GALLENTE:
MINMATAR:
-> TOTAL: sum(drones) / ....

Even so, the combined damage done by drones doesn't tell you if drones are OP or not. You still have to look at the main droneboats individually and check how they compare to ships of the same class.

As some poster before me noted: It'd be interesting to know how much turret / missile damage was cancelled out by EWAR. We know that sensor dampening and ecm can prevent you from getting a target lock on your opponents. We also know that drones, if you manage to get them to attack and have them on agressive, will not stop attacking when you lose lock on your target.

I don't know if drones are OP or not, but I will certainly not deduce it from the presented information.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#80 - 2015-12-31 13:46:41 UTC
So drones are OP. Anyone really surprised? Again?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.