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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-10-15 14:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
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The Character Bazaar has been around for a while, allowing enterprising players to buy and sell characters from others. Lately, we've been exploring some new ideas around improving it, but ultimately realized that our effort was better spent investigating a similar idea: skill trading. This is a pretty big thing, so make sure you read the entire dev blog, and let us know what you think of the ideas inside.


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Wribbley
Molotov Holdings Limited
Molotov Coalition
#2 - 2015-10-15 15:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Wribbley
For the love of God, no plz..

Edit: Hell I'd do it, I'd buy 50 or so >5 mil SP chars for the bonus sp. But still I beg of you don't do it, because of that reason. Yes there is diminishing returns for higher sp chars. I'd just suck it up and buy more.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-10-15 15:21:32 UTC
Is this the beginning of the end?
Arec Bardwin
#4 - 2015-10-15 15:23:16 UTC
And thus it begins. My initial reaction was 'hmm.. really?'
Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-10-15 15:24:28 UTC
Every few years, CCP has an 'oops' moment. It happened with monoclegate, it happened with the proposed carrier changes many years ago, and it just happened right now.

Welp.
Ripard Teg
Vector Galactic
Shoot First.
#6 - 2015-10-15 15:25:38 UTC
Guys, your players quite literally make fun of people who think this is a good idea. I had to check twice to make sure it is not April Fool's Day.

And now you're actually going to do it? Effectively sell Skill Points for Aurum? Effectively allow character respecs as long as people give you money? Are your company finances that bad?

Please do not do this.

aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.

Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
#7 - 2015-10-15 15:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Talsha Talamar
Its not April right ?

This basically introduces the ability to buy any skill with real life cash.

Also the potential for abuse is staggering.

Its not April, RIGHT?

Jita Riots 2.0 incoming ... if enough people decide to care anymore.

To be honest personally I am disgusted.
Should I decide to win EvE, I am going to donate all my assets to Code.
I am pretty certain they would make good use of them to provide limitless content via this feature :D


Some statistics that show that a few players are pushing their agenda rather actively in this thread.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Magnifikus Erzverwirrer
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2015-10-15 15:28:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnifikus Erzverwirrer
So you allow people now to convert SP to FREE SP for cash, what a cashcow dudes, brilliant!

useful ideas, like put lost SP from T3 losses into the wreck are far away
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#9 - 2015-10-15 15:28:31 UTC
Can't say I like it. Ive been against it since it was presented.

This is supposed to be a predecision discussion as I have understood it. Please make your opinions known.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Sort Dragon
Resilience.
DARKNESS.
#10 - 2015-10-15 15:28:58 UTC
I am just going to come out and say I do not support this. I have been against this internally and at the summit.

Maybe you as the community will say different but this isn't for me.
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-10-15 15:30:50 UTC
Very interesting.

A question: do we get to choose which skills are converted into skill packets? (contrived example: I am deeply ashamed that I trained Gallente Cruiser; can I apply skill extractors to myself to expunge the gallente curse from my name?)

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Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2015-10-15 15:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Doomchinchilla
ISK for SP, this is what happens when we let people that haven't played EVE for greater than 2 years onto the CSM. How can this even be remotely considered a good idea?

Not once have vets ever seriously thought this was a good idea. This is just bad. Just 100% bad.
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2015-10-15 15:31:18 UTC
Great change. Best in years. However, could we get some more sample numbers like the possible Aurum costs?

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Creator of Burn Jita

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-10-15 15:33:15 UTC
unallocated skill points is a terrible idea

we can talk about taking entire skills though. i would gladly sell my mining skills as a package.
Kasli Catal
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-10-15 15:33:28 UTC
0 to 50m SP REAL QUICK aka instant and perfect cap alts, super pilots, etc etc.
Ransu Asanari
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#16 - 2015-10-15 15:34:58 UTC
I think it's funny that the Devblog talks about the real difficulties of using a purchased character that has an infamous history, or a stupid name. We've been asking for years for a way to pay to rename characters, or respec the way they look (change appearance, gender). So to go from that acknowledgement, EVEN in the Devblog, and then right to this idea of stripping skillpoints to sell, seems completely missing the mark.

I understand the Character Bazaar lets a player pay ISK to "pay to win", but they get the whole package in terms of skills, and it takes up an extra character slot. We've come to accept the constantly reinforced philosophy that skillpoints are never really wasted, because the meta changes, and things become more and less useful as that happens. For example, think those mining skills are a waste? Flying a Bait Procurer can let you make use of them. The other side of this is there is a value to creating focused characters, or starter characters on the Bazaar. This new feature would lessen the value of this, and it's quite a large investment to be messed with.

So this, I am TOTALLY against. For a long time we've accepted AUR and some some of the cosmetic features in NEX Store like SKINS, because they have no real impact in game. This completely breaks that paradigm, since it will be very easy and much more accessible to "pay to win", despite the promise of diminishing returns.

This isn't something new players need. This isn't something veterans want.

Go back and read your own devblog - give us ways to rename our characters and reskin them, and we will pay you to let us do it. But keep away from things that affect gameplay, because we remember, and Greed is Not Good.
Sparta93xb
Alcoholocaust.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2015-10-15 15:35:04 UTC
This is awful
cpu939
Eternal Darkness.
Initiative Mercenaries
#18 - 2015-10-15 15:35:26 UTC
I'm with the CSM guys on this that have posted so far, i'll say if you take 500k sp you give 500k sp no matter the skill points a player has.

over all i say scrap this and rethink if you want to change it
Langbaobao
Tr0pa de elite.
Ghost Legion.
#19 - 2015-10-15 15:35:44 UTC
This is a really bad idea. I can think of a couple ways to abuse this right off the top of my head. I urge you to reconsider, 'cause this will be a disaster if it hits the live game.

On a side note, is CCP really so strapped for cash that it needs a new cash cow?
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#20 - 2015-10-15 15:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Powers
Quote:

0 – 5 million skillpoints = 500,000 unallocated skillpoints added
5 – 50 million skillpoints = 400,000 unallocated skillpoints added
50 – 80 million skillpoints = 200,000 unallocated skillpoints added
> 80 million skillpoints = 50,000 unallocated skillpoints added


really? old players have to pay 10 times the price new players do for skillpoints?
as if it wasn't enought that most new content introduced is focused on new players, no now vets are actively being punished for sticking with the game?

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