Missions & Complexes

Good to see you are starting to look at the drop rates of COSMOS materials.

I've done a fair amount of COSMOS building and if the drop rate of some of the super rare drops increases that can only be good for me. I've got a few BPC sitting around and just can't get one or two of the materials despite setting up very high buy orders.

Thanks.

Awsome, all we need now is a good reason to use the storyline modules (lookign at you, guns and reps)

Impressive feedback response :D and some good changes accepting the pointlessness of some of these sites.

Can we confirm we are switching from Relic OR Data module to ONLY USE data analyser in Ghosts?

CCP RedDawn, as a very long time explorer I am very grateful you are actively looking into Data/Relic sites and making improvements. Most changes proposed are great. Your reversal on the Besieged sites is very appreciated. The use of data analyzer on Ghost sites is a good move.

I would echo one request, please make Ghost sites sigs and not anoms. It ought to have been this way from the beginning and may help increase their value.

I hope exploration will play a meaningful role in Citadel construction. Currently it is very disappointing that hacking will play no role is citadel destruction loot recovery nor dead stick removal. There is a huge loss of gaming potential here.

I think this is good, but not enough. At one time I saw a comment from CCP saying they wanted exploration to be the best ISK making PVE activity. In high sec, this certainly is not the case. L4 missions do better. Incursions are better.
What could be done? Make the loot table wider. That is, include more items. I suggest the inclusion of all skillbooks and all T1 BPOs. The drop rate would have to be carefully limited, so as to not exceed the current market demand. (Otherwise we have a price crash, and the loot becomes worthless.)

Actually, this would be very welcome. I usually pass up Ghost sites because I have anoms turned off while exploring, since they are so numerous and clutter the list (:cough: get rid of the ****** anoms :cough:).
I realize you want Ghost sites to draw more poeple into exploration by making them appear as anoms, but what I usually see is that anom runners ask each other what they are, scratch their heads and ignore them, while explorers passing through often miss altogether.

I've wondered for a long time now - Why do we actually need separate hacking skills and modules for these sites? Other than some minor differences in expected loot drops there is no real discernible difference between a Relic and Data site. Both use the same hacking window, both reward similar loot, both share a similar look and feel.

Really, as far as I can tell, the only difference is that one has me hacking a weird tower with a bunch of spinny rings, the other has me hacking a derelict ship.
Is it just to make sure we fill at least 2 mid-slots on our probe ships? I don't get it, there's not enough variation to justify splitting up Data and Relic into separate things.

I personally wish there wasn't a need for them, people use them to avoid wasting time flying around for empty cans. Relic sites right now have pretty well spread loot so you can eschew it, but Data often has one good can and a lot of very crappy ones, so the cargo scanner is a must.

Same with ghost sites, there is not enough time to hack all the cans so the scanner is a must to avoid picking the wrong cans to hack. It can be argued, however, that this makes you choose what loot you want before the site blows up, so ti's not as bad as with Data sites where you just waste your time, no choice involved.

tl;dr: either make it unnecessary to cargo scan or leave it as it is. Restricting its use would turn Ghost sites into a roulette.

To remove cargo scanning you would have to reduce the number of cans per site, especially in the Ghost sites. If they were to remove cargo scanning for hacking containers then I would push for the total removal of cargo scanning form all PVE activities.


Yes the Metacide project is a very much welcomed project, but it doesn't make the modules in any more of a demand, deadspace and faction are often items much easier to get and produce (if applicable) and it does not reduce the skill requirements of manufacturing some of the items.

I was thinking about it, but it would like loot from sleepers site, ISK printing. We need to find items that are linked with market. Relics are in good state. Ghost sites are in good state. Data contain items that can be obtained from other sources and are not consumed enough. If we want to stick with "data lore" then maybe skillbooks, or tags?

What is the key here:
-relics drops BPCs and materials to use them;
-ghost drop BPCs and materials to use them;
-data drops....

I'm browsing eve-markets but can't find suitable items. Cosmos modules are not enough, they won't have enough interest to fill the ISK gap between data and relic sites.


CCP distinguished them in sleepers sites. Data module is for hacking devices on grid (unlocking warp gates, hack defense units), relic is for hacking loot cans. It's skill treshold for these sites.

As for cargo scanning. I was against it at start. When CCP introduced sleepers sites I started to change my mind. There are just too many cans on grids. It's +30 hack I presume. It also help to take meanigful choices when explorer is on grid (which can hack first etc.).