Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Why not? That seems like the reasonable thing to do. First of all, a Vexor is a cruiser not a battlecruiser. Battlecruisers have already been nerfed into oblivion. Someone queue up the "Cahn ah bring mah drake" meme. When was the last time you actually saw any battlecruiser other than a tornado on a killmail? Don't even get me started on Command Ships.

Instead of dealing with the inherent problem of battleship weapons systems on cruisers, you do the same crap you pull every other time.."Let's nerf the **** out of stuff that isn't broken!" What other HAC gets battleship class weapons? Cerbs have HAMS/Heavy missiles. Zealots, medium lasers... you see where I'm going with this.

Just make drones downwards compatible, not upwards. HACs shouldnt be using sentries, plain and simple. Heavies? Maybe. But definitely NOT NOT NOT sentries. Reduce bandwidth on smaller ships so that they can't use 5 sentries at least. Maybe 2 or 3 max. Give them speed and tracking bonuses to heavies if you have to.

You want fleets to use battleships? Make them useful again. Stop wailing about power creep, and make these as they should be, weapons of war. Not sunshine and lollipops.

Why not reduce its fitting and give it 100 bandwidth? Problem solved instead to completely destroying the ship. I personally think the Ishtar shouldn't have BS Weapons and if it does then it should hit less then what a myrim does. ( only can deploy 4 heavies or 4 sentries) remove bonus to drones.

Back during the first BS balance pass I suggested the Tempest get a falloff bonus, and I reiterate that now.

Remove the damage bonus but give it an extra turret slot, it's not exactly short on spare highs.
Keep the rof at 5% & give it the 10% falloff bonus autocannon hulls enjoy.
Give the fleet issue the 7.5% rof bonus, along with 7 turrets. Spicy!

As for the Ishtar, there are a lot of good answers in this thread you should be thinking about. Having cruiser sized hulls be better than battleships is part of the reason battleships aren't used, geddit?

I'd rather keep two heavy neuts.

ok the changes to DDAs just made my domi ASOLUTELY garbege it was already subpar dps it is now 100 dps less then my drake thats kool

ok the fix should have been directed at ISHTARS only nerfing there ability to field sentrys period take away all there bonus to sentrys and make them a heavy drone platform as they should have been in the first place no sentry bs just HEAVYS and medium drones

the problem you guys are having and the reason you guys **** 80% of eve off every nerf you do is you do a broad nerf which already hurts bleeding ships like domis/myrmidon are hardly seen and now its gonna be worse cause there dps is **** and to get OK dps they will drop all there tank and be paper bags soooooo

heres away to attempt to fix the ishtar problem

1) turn ishtar into a heavy drone boat only that can only hold max 10 heavy drones instead of the current 15
2) remove all sentry ability FROM the ishtar no more passive and even put on it as a static CANNOT FIELD SENTRYS
3) vexor is a mini ishtar it should only be allowed to field medium drones as it is t1 cruiser
4) ADJUST the ishtars either slot layout or bonus to the ship so adjust them like so

gallente cruiser skill bonus per lvl
7.5% to heavy drone tracking and max velocity
10% to medium and heavy drone dmg and hitpoints (NO they should not be bonused to lights so they are not a jack of all trades)

heavy assault cruiser skill bonus per lvl
5000m bonus to medium and heavy drone control range
(this bonus im not sure of due to already getting velocity and tracking above)

if you force it to be one thing or the other then change its slot layout(since gallente is suppose to be ARMOR based do this)

SLOT layout

4 high slots
4 or 3 mids
and 7 lows

forceing it to become more of a armor ship or a paperthin shield ship


this would fix most of the problems with the broken ass ishtar but it would also stop your broad nerfs to stuff like the myrm which is bad already and dont need to be anyworse and the domi which is slowly becomeing the worst battleship in the game and it will stop the stupid broad nerfs soo plz dont broad nerf and nerf the ship that needs nerfed

The only issue I have with this particular change is the inconsistency in tactics. We've had a couple tweaks to the ishtar and sentry drones in recent patches, and suddenly we change to a full blown sledgehammer episode. I personally do not fly the ishtar very much so I don't have a lot invested in this particular change, but I do worry about a couple issues that this nerf brings up. First, the balance team seems to have given up on gradual tweaks here which is something that's a bit worrisome. I also always worry about changes that effect an entire weapon class, although in this case I do think that the DDA tweak here is within reason. I do however like the fact that the balance team is trying to be proactive and shake up the meta by force, after being previously unsuccessful.

All of which are very strong as it is.

Will we be seeing something similar for the Hurricane? I find it odd that a Battlecruiser with double damage bonus, fit with 3 gyros does pretty pathetic damage in comparison with other Battlecruisers. It's almost feels like it only has one bonus.

As you stated, there's definitely good reason for the entire drone class to be nerfed: Drone boats do the most damage across all classes of ships.