EVE General Discussion

Please enlighten us with your ways.

Or more like, fail ways.


When incursions started there were a lot of mechanics to explore people werent aware of, many fleets used to lose ships every now and then through some of these mechanics.
But now its all said and done 90% of the risk is gone with very well known protective measures. Theres literally nothing that you can do about incursioners other than your regular gate ganking in between stages when people travel, even though you need a lot of planning, effort and pilots just to kill a single tanked battleship if all goes well.

Even goons fail to stop incursioners, unless its a random afk guy off a station not in fleet or something.
But thats not really the point of the thread anyway, and even if it was its something that doesnt happen and people dont bother with.

You know something is wrong when null players have highsec incursions alts to make isks for their null pvp activities.
Is that really the eve you want to play?

Look what you just said there, it requires effort, planning, teamwork and risk. The Goons do kill Incursion runners at times, just organise your group of gankers and get too it. There is a lot of stuff in Eve that I cannot do because I am unable to gather / organise enough people, I don't whine about it, I just get on and have fun, perhaps that is what you should do rather than whine about other peoples game play because you are unable to organise yourself to make a dent in them.

I don't care if null players have hisec incursion running alts, big deal, if you have ever been in a 0.0 alliance you will soon realise that having different income streams is really important, good luck to them, means they are more able to fight in 0.0.

You have an objective, go kill an incursion runner in a very shiny ship its doable.

While I recognize the imbalance Incursions contribute to, I don't think it's realistic for ccp to get rid of them. Hell, incursions are a cool concept, just badly implemented. I've been taking a semi-break from null due to real life obligations and running incursions with TVP for 2 weeks.

Say that their is little incentive to do anything else is actually wrong, I sold my incursion fit (kept the Mach though) because incursions are so eye bleedingly boring and monotonous I simply can't run another site, even when you contribute by having a roll (I have played sniper anchor and MTAC guy), it's the SAME THING over and over and over again. null anoms are the same, but atleast I can experiment with different ships, come and go when I want and the guys trying to kill you make for interesting times. You get almost none of that in high sec incursions, the only fun to be had is contests and those are rare.

The isk is great, at time we've been on pace to make more than 160 mil per hour (and TVP is great with it's automated waitlist meaning that if you have alts like me, you can do something else in the time it takes you to get invited, they even have an out of game browser alarm that blares at you when you get invited, best thing I've ever seen)

I'm on the record saying that high sec incursions are wrong and bad and they are. I find it irksome that the SAME Machariel that can be used by me to help push a 100+ mil per hour pace farming in an incursion fleet (where only the FC is doing any actual thinking/playing) can make AT BEST 750-75 mil per hour farming anomalies in a null sec system that someone had to fight over, conquer and than pay to upgrade including moving a huge ass IHUB.

And all of that is still true, I simply don't think people should be making that much combat pve isk in high sec, it cheapens ALL pve outside of high sec with the exception of high end wormholes (which are sill balanced because once those WH anoms are gone, they are gone, incursion sites keep respawning till the incursion is gone)

But what is also true is that if you re-nerf incursions (they got nerfed in the past), people just won't do them and it's wasted content/dev time. It's a hell of a wall CCP painted themselves into, damned if you do, damnded if you don't. Personally I'd leave incursions alone with the possible exception of lowering the isk pay out and upping the LP pay out.

It's almost impossible to balance risk vs. reward...

... when the reward is coded into loot tables and %chance of drops, and thus somewhat fixed
... and the risk is entirely dependent on a whole bunch of PVP'ers piling into one system and deciding to gank evereyone there

My suggestion for combining these two very different systems would be to make ONLY the ships that have the loot vulnerable to attack by PVP with no CONCORD interference, and with everyone else invulnerable even to suicide ganks. That way the risk of PVP is coded in the loot table, so to speak.

Your sole argument is that its ingame and hence should be left alone? Odd that prominent people from all sections of the game make their ISK of of highsec incursions. Defeats the purpose of actually doing anything BUT highsec incursions.

But it's just butthurt people who can't make themselves do as everyone else does and trying to ruin the fun, isn't it?

Challenging a POV is great, it makes conclusions. But you aren't doing that.


If denial made ISK, you'd be rich just by flashing your word wizardry on the forums.

Yes its an issue.
Yes people have agendas
And its not out of the blue.

People want value from other walks of the game, proportional to the effort and risk that is demanded by them.

Pretty valid agenda, as that's what the game is partially advertised/implied for.

Highsec incursions are an insult.

Increasing payout from other activities - you can't keep doing that.

Yes, I see the mob rushing to post...all three of you...

You are entitled to your opinion(s).

This is simply a defensive reaction by the only person who has an actual agenda (ie "don't mess with my activity"). The people who defend high sec incursions are the ones with the agenda. I'm not defending high sec incursions when I say CCP should probably leave them alone, I'm simply being realistic, btw.

But the high sec version of incursions ARE unbalanced. They would be less so if incursion rats spawned on gates and strangled high sec travel and commerce like they do in low and null or if CONCORD was deactivated in incursion constellations. Low and null incursions are balanced, because no CONCORD.

In other words, while high sec incursions aren't the end of the world, as they are now they are wrong for the game. This game has a well defined "risk/reward" scheme and high sec incursions violate that principal. The only risk in a high sec incursion is a sleepy logi pilot or two when the "Outunis" spawns.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. What you aren't entitled to is your own facts. All I'm posting are facts about incursions vs other types of PVE in other places.

What you are doing is denying the truth because of a personal agenda (no different than what real life politicians do), and that makes you wrong. If you don't mind being wrong, then you will stick to your line of thinking. You will have lots of company on this forum lol.