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[MERC] The Marmite Collective

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5081 - 2015-04-24 08:00:15 UTC
This is soooo 2013, love it!

2 things; I'll be starting in house group sessions to talk about our tradehub feelings.

And more importantly, I'm contemplating starting another corp dedicated to gate camping, we'll name it Wet & Willing and go from there...

Your thoughts everyone and especially seegert?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5082 - 2015-04-24 08:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
Tora Bushido wrote:
Damn, you put effort in that reply Big smile. I think its easier for me to just copy/paste the alliance mail I send today. Saves me answering many questions :

Quote:
Greetings Marmites,

Some of you won’t like me after this mail, some might hug me all night long (with a happy end) and some might even leave alliance. As we discussed in the latest alliance meeting, we're going to make some changes in Marmites. One of the biggest problems we've got in the alliance, are the trade hubs. Since we started a few year ago, we've had many wars (contracts, merc wars, etc), where we start of great and it gets ****** up by some stupid lose on the trade hub undocks. You might think, why not ban all trade hubs ? Well, we can’t, as they can be important for our wars.

So this is what's going to happen asap :

I made a new corp called "Dedicated and Dangerous". This will be the ONLY corp allowed in the trade hub systems (Jita, Dodixie, Rens, Hek and Amarr). If you think you're a dedicated trade hub hugger, you're good at it and want to keep doing it, then I want you to apply to that corp. This corp will have max 25 players (incl. alts). In time, a new corp ceo will be appointed. His job will be to decide if you’re good enough to be a dedicated station hugger, he will ask you to move to another corp if you’re not and he will setup acceptable fittings (So no 10 sebo, 0 tank fits etc) you can use.

But you’re in a corp you don’t want to leave and still want to pvp in the trade hub systems? Too bad, this is not an option. We’ll build this up slowly, but after 1 may '16, anyone seen in the trade hubs with a Marmite char will be warned and/or kicked if needed. I expect all ceo’s to handle this within their own corp.

But I need to buy things in the trade hubs? Great, use an alt or ask alliance members, but dont do it with your main Marmite char.

There will be one exception, alliance fleet ops. During an alliance fleet ops (LARGE group of alliance members hunting targets), it’s up to the FC where to go.

There might be situations where you’re in one of the exit systems of a hub and you’ve got a great target jumping in to the trade hub system. You can follow and kill on the gate, but not follow it to the trade hub station(s). And if you die, after jumping in a trade hub system, you better have a great story why, as we will ask for the reason why.


Good luck and kill them all !


Tora Bushido



Why do you care about member losses? You aren't SRPing them.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
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#5083 - 2015-04-24 08:30:03 UTC
scandor wrote:
It amazes me all the talk of mercs being friends with mercs its no different to having a coalition in null sec and being blue whats the big deal.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

Thoughts on this pls.


Good luck with the new policies tora BTW


On the contrary, it confuses me how unfriendly mercs are with each other. Wardec costs don't scale with membership numbers.

The optimal strategy would be to set up one mega-alliance and split the wardec costs between everyone. A thousand man alliance can maintain 4 times as many wars per member as 4 250 man alliances, which means more targets and an easier time killing them.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#5084 - 2015-04-24 08:37:04 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
scandor wrote:
It amazes me all the talk of mercs being friends with mercs its no different to having a coalition in null sec and being blue whats the big deal.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

Thoughts on this pls.


Good luck with the new policies tora BTW


On the contrary, it confuses me how unfriendly mercs are with each other. Wardec costs don't scale with membership numbers.

The optimal strategy would be to set up one mega-alliance and split the wardec costs between everyone. A thousand man alliance can maintain 4 times as many wars per member as 4 250 man alliances, which means more targets and an easier time killing them.

Who would we shoot for fun?

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Valkin Mordirc
#5085 - 2015-04-24 08:38:47 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
scandor wrote:
It amazes me all the talk of mercs being friends with mercs its no different to having a coalition in null sec and being blue whats the big deal.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

Thoughts on this pls.


Good luck with the new policies tora BTW


On the contrary, it confuses me how unfriendly mercs are with each other. Wardec costs don't scale with membership numbers.

The optimal strategy would be to set up one mega-alliance and split the wardec costs between everyone. A thousand man alliance can maintain 4 times as many wars per member as 4 250 man alliances, which means more targets and an easier time killing them.



What Noragen said. It would get boring very very quickly.
#DeleteTheWeak
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#5086 - 2015-04-24 08:40:17 UTC
Danalee wrote:
This is soooo 2013, love it!

2 things; I'll be starting in house group sessions to talk about our tradehub feelings.

And more importantly, I'm contemplating starting another corp dedicated to gate camping, we'll name it Wet & Willing and go from there...

Your thoughts everyone and especially seegert?

D.

Bear

I wish to discuss my trade hub feelings plz. I'm quite upset tbh. May I rest my head in your (rather voluptuous) bosom and cry while you hold me tightly?

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#5087 - 2015-04-24 08:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Tear Jar wrote:
Why do you care about member losses? You aren't SRPing them.
I care if they are on paid decs, were stupid losses or on decs others have put effort in to get good kills. I rather lose 10 vindi's in a great fight, were we just lost, then losing a 200M shuttle because someone was being ********.

Valkin Mordirc wrote:
What Noragen said. It would get boring very very quickly.
True. Even if some of us don't like each other, we're probably all enjoying the GRRRR.... Somebody thing. Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Valkin Mordirc
#5088 - 2015-04-24 08:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Tora Bushido wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Why do you care about member losses? You aren't SRPing them.
I care if they are on paid decs, were stupid losses or on decs others have put effort in to get good kills. I rather lose 10 vindi's in a great fight, were we just lost, then losing a 200M shuttle because someone was being ********.



To further explain,


Stupid loses even on non-contracted wartargets, causes contractors to go to another source. Contracts pay for a portion of the decs an alliance can run. So if somebody say Merc A loses a 1bil isk Vindicator, and a contractor will see this and compare to Merc B C and D, notice that they haven't lost anything expensive in a couple of weeks and go for one of them instead.


Quote:
True. Even if some of us don't like each other, we're probably all enjoying the GRRRR.... Somebody thing.


Grrr Local Big smile
#DeleteTheWeak
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5089 - 2015-04-24 10:09:22 UTC
Come now, be honest. Losses matter because you want to keep an artificially inflated KB ratio, which is why you choose low risk combat and boot people who take a risk and lose ships. It's not a bad thing, a lot of people do it, but let's not be putting lipstick on a pig.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5090 - 2015-04-24 10:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Or like sunglasses on a (space) monkey amirite?!

Most killboard/isk inflating kills happen in tradehubs... Just sayin'
And before you say something, my glasses are prescription, thanks very much. I need those to see all those shuttles on the jita und... err... gate!


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#5091 - 2015-04-24 10:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Danalee wrote:
Or like sunglasses on a (space) monkey amirite?!

Most killboard/isk inflating kills happen in tradehubs... Just sayin'
Lol, I think Lucas just got owned big time. Maybe still butt hurt because we killed two of their freighters last night......not on an undock Blink Its ok to pretend you know it all, but dont expect us to believe your bull ****.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5092 - 2015-04-24 10:30:11 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
scandor wrote:
It amazes me all the talk of mercs being friends with mercs its no different to having a coalition in null sec and being blue whats the big deal.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

Thoughts on this pls.


Good luck with the new policies tora BTW


On the contrary, it confuses me how unfriendly mercs are with each other. Wardec costs don't scale with membership numbers.

The optimal strategy would be to set up one mega-alliance and split the wardec costs between everyone. A thousand man alliance can maintain 4 times as many wars per member as 4 250 man alliances, which means more targets and an easier time killing them.

Who would we shoot for fun?


All the people who aren't out to be mercs?

Merc corps only spend a small portion of their time deccing other merc corps anyway.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#5093 - 2015-04-24 10:44:41 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
scandor wrote:
It amazes me all the talk of mercs being friends with mercs its no different to having a coalition in null sec and being blue whats the big deal.

Just makes the game a little more interesting.

Thoughts on this pls.


Good luck with the new policies tora BTW


On the contrary, it confuses me how unfriendly mercs are with each other. Wardec costs don't scale with membership numbers.

The optimal strategy would be to set up one mega-alliance and split the wardec costs between everyone. A thousand man alliance can maintain 4 times as many wars per member as 4 250 man alliances, which means more targets and an easier time killing them.

Who would we shoot for fun?


All the people who aren't out to be mercs?

Merc corps only spend a small portion of their time deccing other merc corps anyway.

But the PvP and games between us beats all other content I have experienced in game so far

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5094 - 2015-04-24 11:09:24 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Come now, be honest. Losses matter because you want to keep an artificially inflated KB ratio, which is why you choose low risk combat and boot people who take a risk and lose ships. It's not a bad thing, a lot of people do it, but let's not be putting lipstick on a pig.


Wise Lucas.

As a proven pvper why don't you tell us what you consider high risk combat?

BTW do you still get SRP for all ships you lose in the CFC when you deploy?
IMO that's as low risk as it gets since you no you will get your Isk bk.

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5095 - 2015-04-24 11:22:43 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Come now, be honest. Losses matter because you want to keep an artificially inflated KB ratio, which is why you choose low risk combat and boot people who take a risk and lose ships. It's not a bad thing, a lot of people do it, but let's not be putting lipstick on a pig.
Wise Lucas.

As a proven pvper why don't you tell us what you consider high risk combat?

BTW do you still get SRP for all ships you lose in the CFC when you deploy?
IMO that's as low risk as it gets since you no you will get your Isk bk.
Where exactly did I claim to be some form of elite PvPer? I have no problem accepting that the PvP we do in nullsec is low risk and that anything we lose gets replaced, I'm honest enough to tell it how it is.

Amusingly I didn't even claim it to be bad to choose low risk PvP (especially since there's no better rewards for choosing higher risk PvP in highsec), I only claimed it was bad to dress it up as more than it is, and you guys seem to have become awfully defensive over that. Apologies if I hit a nerve.

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Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5096 - 2015-04-24 11:28:04 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Fybs wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Come now, be honest. Losses matter because you want to keep an artificially inflated KB ratio, which is why you choose low risk combat and boot people who take a risk and lose ships. It's not a bad thing, a lot of people do it, but let's not be putting lipstick on a pig.
Wise Lucas.

As a proven pvper why don't you tell us what you consider high risk combat?

BTW do you still get SRP for all ships you lose in the CFC when you deploy?
IMO that's as low risk as it gets since you no you will get your Isk bk.
Where exactly did I claim to be some form of elite PvPer? I have no problem accepting that the PvP we do in nullsec is low risk and that anything we lose gets replaced, I'm honest enough to tell it how it is.

Amusingly I didn't even claim it to be bad to choose low risk PvP (especially since there's no better rewards for choosing higher risk PvP in highsec), I only claimed it was bad to dress it up as more than it is, and you guys seem to have become awfully defensive over that. Apologies if I hit a nerve.


Haha, Lucas hitting a nerve... That'd be rich.
It's just, as said, your entire post was made of wrong so we decided to correct you (yet again).
You nullbears also go around pretending that your no risk f1 monkeying is the only form of PVP that matters, ever. So don't act all surprised when you are rightfully called on your bs.

Thanks.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Torpedo Tammy
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5097 - 2015-04-24 11:44:20 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Haha, Lucas hitting a nerve... That'd be rich.
It's just, as said, your entire post was made of wrong so we decided to correct you (yet again).
You nullbears also go around pretending that your no risk f1 monkeying is the only form of PVP that matters, ever. So don't act all surprised when you are rightfully called on your bs.

Thanks.

D.

Bear



Is this real life?

Highsec Heroes calling "Nullbear F1 pushers" risk averse in bad post non-shocker?
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5098 - 2015-04-24 11:50:31 UTC
Torpedo Tammy wrote:

Is this real life?
Highsec Heroes calling "Nullbear F1 pushers" risk averse in bad post non-shocker?


Come at me brah!

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5099 - 2015-04-24 11:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
Torpedo Tammy wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Haha, Lucas hitting a nerve... That'd be rich.
It's just, as said, your entire post was made of wrong so we decided to correct you (yet again).
You nullbears also go around pretending that your no risk f1 monkeying is the only form of PVP that matters, ever. So don't act all surprised when you are rightfully called on your bs.

Thanks.

D.

Bear



Is this real life?

Highsec Heroes calling "Nullbear F1 pushers" risk averse in bad post non-shocker?


I like that.

"Fybs the Highsec Hero"


*puffs out chest and gently gazes to up the stars.

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#5100 - 2015-04-24 12:00:45 UTC
HoleySheet1 wrote:
Marmite was built on policing the hubs. Not high sec small gang warfare (which is a joke in of itself). Good luck tora bushido. I'll gladly walk away with my 10k plus kills. DELETE the weak, and I will continue to do so. Toodles......when I log on tonight, I'll be looking for a new corp.

seems like drama never fails P

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