Player Features and Ideas Discussion

T3 Cruisers can't compete with BSs ?
Really ?
That's not what i can witness in game actually.

Yes, that was my point actually.
Nobody cries about how T3 Cruisers can destroy T2 Dessies, but they do for AFs.
I mean, i see no pb about that, they are a superior class after all, aren't they ?
Dessies are MEANT to destroy frigates, that's their unique role, right ?
So a T3 Dessy shouldn't have any problem at all to reck an AF i guess.

Oh, ok, i apologize for misunderstanding your statement. :x

I agree.

I was just pointing that people are arguing about a T3 Dessies being OP compared to their lower class while T3 Cruisers can easily compete with their upper class.

I do know though that ship classes shouldn't be compared like i'm doin so there.

One should just not forget that Destroyers are MEANT to destroy frigates, that's their role, that's what they were invented for.

I don't know what appropriate comparison should be actually.

But i'm not agree with this, Destroyers have been invented to destroy frigs, and they should excell doin so, especially T3 Dessies vs AFs.

Also, balancing is a very difficult thing to do, and must be a tough job.
I'm impressed by the CCP guys workin on that, really.

It depends on so many variables, skills (book), skills (player), solo, fleet, small gang, fitting, links, boosters, implants, etc, etc...

I'm sad that this rebalance comes with the statement that advanced pilots (player with piloting skills) are pushing the limit so far of those ships that they HAVE TO be nerfed.

I concider myself as a relatively normal pilote, not bad, not good, and i never felt OP in a Confessor for which i felt in love, and which improved my piloting skills.

(sry for bad english, it's getting late, and i'm tired :p)

I would tell for the Svipul, sure.
I found the Confessor balanced though.

But i might not be quite objective there.

While I always like nerfs to the barbarian rust-buckets, my Confessor most certainly doesn't need one.

Maybe most of you do not know this but laser turrets and armor reps are taxing very heavy on your capacitor and I don't see a reason to nerf a boat that is doing it's job correctly.

Edit:

Maybe this comes as total news for you but my Confessor goes ~2400m/s (rounded) in propulsion mode and the super-OMG-BBQ-WTF-pwn-mobile ab fit but my Imperial Navy Slicer goes >3200m/s with the mobility of an angel-boat.

Is my Imperial Navy Slicer op?

No, she is not.

The Confessor in propulsion mode prior to the nerf had the agility of a nano-titan, so you would rely on long-range damage projection.

Still at 2400m/s you will get kited by regular tech one frigates like there is no tomorrow and in the same market catergory you will already have counters for here for less than 10m isk, if at all that much.

A three day old noob with brains can kill one. That some of the kiddy plexers in lowsec started crying is not my concern - they choose to life in very dangerous space and can honestly not expect that someone has the intention to remove them from said plex.

In wormhole space this is an even more dangerous environment where you will choose all advantages you can muster to deal with all situation you may come across.

The thing with Tactical Destroyer is that they could deal with those situation even when you chose to earny some isk by shooting nasty NPCs and someone would like to get a drop on you - business as usual on a wormhole office Monday.

Your d-scan says, coast is clear up to 14.3AU, okay go kill some Sleepers and collect blue stuff later.

Reports of a straying Astero come in and you warp to your static or other connections of the day and investigate. Yes early response and rapid launch.

My first Confessor succumed to Gila drones - the End.

Everything is fine, I bought another one.

Now you make my Confessor slower and the perfect capacitor usage : recharge ratio goes down the drain with it, are you nuts??

Now the minmatar one is a little too strong, I mean 100.000ehp destroyers are what I would call out of whack but my Confessor with 5697ehp most certainly wasn't.

And no, I will not give you counters here on the forums, figure them out on your own.

Leave my Confessor as she is and maybe increase the price a bit, she is so far from op I don't even know if you have ever flown one.

The reason she is popular is because it's an Amarr tech 3 boat done right at first try, do not take it away.

Svipul was better than the Confessor, but the Confessor was still better than basically everything else.

I'm still trying to get the answer why the Svipul has 7.4k EHP vs. Confessor's 7k thanks to its double armour+shield resists bonus, while also being 15% faster and not having to rely on Sharpshooter mode to project damage.

CCPlease

It makes a certain amount of sense. The Svipul will either be shield or armor tanked, so one of the bonuses is going to be much less useful depending on the actual loadout of the Svipul. If the Svipul is still tankier than a Confessor after they've been fitted then I'd see a problem.

I'm going to take a guess and say that it's because the Sig bonus in Defense mode is extremely strong at mitigating incoming damage, especially on a MWD fit.

It's good to see specific bonuses for each T3 Dessy.
Instead of erasing double bonus, it would've been smart to set htem at 22.2% or 16% instead of 33%.

I don't know what should be done to raise the overall interest in Laser gunnery, but it's clearly lacking something.
Your point on capacitor consomption bonuses is true and it kinda handicaps armar hull in general cause their counter part has other bonuses more 'usefull'.