Crime & Punishment

Just as low-sec is null-sec with safe stations ?

Well it just proves the issue with war decs and what I keep pointing out on this thread, what benefit was there to fight? When my guys are active its just a couple of people in GTFO ships. So what do I offer my corpmates, a Svipul warping away or carrying out a fun team heist in GTA 5. Simply, get a war dec, hmmm lets go play another game... the choice is that stark and trying to crack a funny that misses the mark does not change that simple fact.

What are these GTFO ships you speak of?

they have a choice try to catch people who are in GTFO ships or GTA 5
Ergo: GTA5 is causing people not to play EVE.
they give NOFUX
Ergo: They aren't entertained and should be by the aggressor.

^^ Prove me wrong or stop whinging.

D.

If we wardec you, in your twisted reality does that mean that it is to provide YOU content?
What were you doing before the wardec and why wouldn't you continue doing it?

How on earth can you think anyone is responsible for your entertainment other than you?!
And what, pray tell, does that have to do with the wardec system? At all?!

D.

I have been entertained, problem was that most of my corp mates are playing another game, they have no interest in your alliance.

I think people have misconceptions of what PVP means.
EVE provides many forms of PVP.

PVP is when one player takes advantage over another player, doesn't necessarily mean this has to happen by destroying their ships. Combat is just one form of PVP. There are plenty others.
There are lots of PVP in station trading. Lots of PVP in manipulating corps, infiltrating, spying, etc.
There are lots of PVP when you have to do something in low or null simply dodging combat.

I find it is really boring after all those years of EVE existence that we still have people complaining of game mechanics because of lack of PVP.
CODE. for example found the dumbest kind of PVP I could think of but still, it is PVP. If a miner or something looses a ship to CODE., well, adapt and find other means to PVP, meaning, to mine in safety and take advantage of CODE.'s dumbness.

People complain of wardec mechanics, that decs are broken, etc... A Wardec is a means for you to try to find combat. There are several others. If you go to lo-sec you'll find more combat. If you go to null you will find even more combat without the drawbacks from CONCORD. So, what’s there to complain?

I never understood why people complain of lack of PVP in hi-sec. There is a reason for it to be called hi-sec. There is a reason for lo-sec to be called lo-sec and there is a reason for null-sec to be called null-sec. There is a reason for you to have such ample spaces in lo-sec and null-sec too. Not satisfied yet? Well there are also WHs which are null-secs appearing everywhere.

Just my 2 cent.

What the game was offering them, and what they could be bothered to do did not engage them, I was away for a week and when I came back they were not logging in, so hard to get back from that isn't it.

My stance is pretty simple, there has to be reasons to fight for the defenders, some advantage that they have, hopefully something in the new structures, or something that will shorten the war dec., the broken part which annoys you is people being able to drop to NPC corps or dissolve and recreate the corps, these balance against the continuous war dec with no objective or even aim, both are rubbish mechanics, but that's how it is, they balance off. I have read the other thread and found some interesting ideas there, but won't post there because I see that as a place for your group to express your ideas. Some people have engaged there to talk about the people you war dec, but still at the end of it all you get to the problem that hit me, will people log in?

The question is will people log in to play something that is not fun for them, no matter how you want to spin it that is the issue, initially I thought that the structures could create a reason to fight but to be honest the more I think about it the less and less that seems likely, people will just go for the lower level reward for example against the certain loss of that structure which they deem they cannot defend, and you lot will call for more and more penalties until they deem its so not worth it that they will stop playing.

In any case it hardly matters to me at this point I listened to what Lucas said, and acted on it, you can just add me and my alliance as another group that has decided to dis-engage.

And this is also where I now disengage with this thread, I have said what I thought, I enjoyed one war dec where there was an objective, I did not enjoy other war decs that only had an objective of green on the killboard and GTFO. I will now just play Eve at a very superficial basis, do nothing serious and just not log in if its something that does not interest me, like my corp mates.

\o/ and thanks for all the fish

Actually, what he's saying is that from his side wardecs are less entertaining than simply playing another game. Games are designed for entertainment, and even when you are losing should maintain a good level of entertainment. Some of EVE's mechanics (usually the older ones such as wardecs) aren't like that, because the difference in capability can mean that a player is unable to realistically do anything while being defeated, leading to low entertainment value. From a game design perspective these are pitfalls that should always be avoided. It's really not that hard to understand, and your constant misrepresentation of this is only discrediting yourself.

It all boils down to the way wardecs promote attacking the weakest targets. You aren't rewarded for taking on a higher challenge, like how level 1 missions pay less but are easier than level 2s, but instead you get more by picking valuable but incredibly weak targets.

I imagine it's the ships designed to evade if engaged. They are generally a chore to chase and 99% of the time safe. It's the same reason we don't bother trying to chase down cloaky T3s in null, because they'll only get caught if they want to.

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