Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No remote assistance is allowed, so that includes remote ECCM. The ship using the link would have to stack ECCM on its own (thus gimping its fit).

Battleships... albeit Tech 2 with carrier price tag and 1/10 the insurance payout.

/Not sure yet.

Ah, the shorter cycle time isn't necessarily a good thing since it will end up costing more than 6x the fuel. That's some really interesting interaction.

I'm pretty please with what has been laid out here. And depite not being limited to CBCs, people may still use them because cheap, tanky, and utility high slot.

Or they will just use Ishtars.

Good point, I'd love to see this answered as well.



Woops, point, my mistake there. My point about a Triage Carrier stands though.



There were significant concerns that Interceptors and other fast ships would be able to troll Sov without significant consequences, just running around and spamming an Alliance with defense call mails and generally making a nuisance of themselves. It would be easy to stop them from actually capturing anything but without the ability to actually kill them you need to baby-sit your sov structures for four hours during peak play times every day, and no one wants that.




I don't really see this as a problem. This isn't a ship it's a flying Entosis Link, which means it will be ridiculously easy to hunt down and kill.

True. It's just crafting to see what the minimum ship hull could be used for t2. Interceptors are out, however.

Fozzie, the first thing to remember is that using the entosis link itself is *not* a fun mechanic, even if it might result in fun things (e.g. fights). Having penalties which make it even less fun to be the entosis link pilot (or alt) are a bad foundation to a new sov mechanics. So, I think the Stront requirement by itself is enough to discourage troll entosis use (e.g. entosis pilots logged off until the system is empty or entosis interceptors) and the mass penalty should NOT be used. This point has been made a thousand times by people who do lots of PVP in null: if you cannot counter entosis interceptors ESPECIALLY now that they won't be able to viably fit a T2 link and now that they will need stront in the cargo then you are probably NOT competent enough to hold and defend your sov in null sec.

Second, also for the reasons noted above, the PG/CPU requirements for the t1 entosis link should be changed. 10 PG does NOT fit on any viable frigate or destroyer setup currently in use, which completely contradicts the stated goal of the entosis link to the effect that: "The Entosis Link itself should have the minimum possible effect on what ships and tactics players can choose." A t1 entosis link not fitting on virtually any current frig/destroyer PVP setup (because no real setup has 10 free powergrid) does not fit this goal, and significantly harms small gang sov warfare where every ship in fleet needs to be a viable pvp ship, where the players cannot simply bring 10 dummy entosis alts. I suggest changing the tech 1 entosis link requirements to 1 or 2 PG and 10-15 cpu so that it actually fits on useful frig/dessy setups.

The T2 version still shouldn't have a range ten times higher than the T1 version; either buff the T1 or nerf the T2 range, imo. Since frigates, and only frigates, will be fitting the T1 version with these huge differences, this is almost an artificial ship-choice nerf like CCP said they'd try to avoid. Put another way, a long-range Harpy fleet simply won't be viable with this, despite otherwise possibly having grid control.

I'm not sure how I feel on the 10-minute initial cycle for caps. It mainly means they'll be slower initially, but once they're on field, they're still extremely powerful, and won't discourage capital-exclusive blobs. If CCP also makes them change the timer (10-20%) slower, they'll make it viable to use subcaps alongside caps.

The dirty bloblers have won! Hope you all have fun with the new sov laser cyno fitted to your carriers in 10% TiDi!

This is why I love CCP. ♥

Thanks!

There have been some who have been saying this new Entosis Link will be a boost for bumping Machariels in high sec. The way I understand it, you need a valid target for the Entosis Link to activate to get the mass increase. There will not be any of these capture points in high sec so it is a moot point, correct?